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This is a page for capturing ideas associated with the preparation and painting of [[Moving/2169_Mission|2169 Mission #300]].
This is a page for capturing ideas associated with the preparation and painting of [[Moving/2169_Mission|2169 Mission #300]].
Painting -- Responsible for prepping and painting the vertical surfaces of the space beneath the ceiling and over the floor. Contact [[User:mrcamuti|Steve AKA Mooch]] , [[User:rachel|Rachel]]
Painting -- Responsible for prepping and painting the vertical surfaces of the space beneath the ceiling and over the floor.
* Budget: '''rough''' estimate of $1800-2200
** Paint estimate for only the current exterior walls (not the columns or baseboarding) is roughly 25 - 30 gallons. $20-45/gallon suggests a paint budget of 600-1400 dollars, not including all prep materials.
* Basecoat Only, Something Close to White


* Budget: TBD
* Basecoat Only, Something Close to White


= General Guidelines =
= General Guidelines =
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= Prep Work =
= Prep Work =
[http://www.easy2diy.com/cm/easy/diy_ht_3d_index.asp?page_id=35766619]


==All preparation work should follow these general guidelines:==
==Rules of thumb:==
* '''Clean the surface''' to be painted sufficiently well enough for their to be good adhesion of a new surface covering layer.
* '''Clean the surface''' to be painted sufficiently well enough for their to be good adhesion of a new surface covering layer.  This goes for loose dirt or excessive grease (the rear windowsills for example), but generally we do not need to wash the walls.
* '''Remove obstructions''', or at least minimize their intrusion
* '''Remove obstructions''', or at least minimize their intrusion
**nails power-hammer driven into cement can't be yanked... but can be snipped off or ground nearly flush with the wall.  
** nails power-hammer driven into cement can't be yanked... but can be snipped off or ground nearly flush with the wall. Of course if they're really high... we probably don't care
* '''Mask what we are not painting'''
* '''Mask what we are not painting'''
** Mask to the first seam of whatever we cannot fully envelope with plastic and tape
** Mask to the first seam of whatever we cannot fully envelope with plastic and tape, such as electrical outlets
* '''Scrape''' excess paint and debris from the walls
* '''Scrape''' excess paint and debris from the walls
* '''Sand''' the surface until there are smooth edges to any scraped bits.
* '''Sand''' the surface until there are smooth edges to any scraped bits.
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2. document the prep needs, with yr pix, so ppl can just go do a small
2. these are the prep needs (pix coming in a bit), so ppl can just go do a small amount of work when they have a chance.  Please note that cleanup is part of any task - this is meaningful for scraping loose paint.
amount of work when they have a chance.  This should include scraping,
as long as we note that cleanup is part of that task.


===Re-Iteration of General guidelines===
* Of particular importance are the rat-sized holes (there were 3 IIRC).
* Of particular importance are the rat-sized holes (there were 3 IIRC).
* pull nails/screws/staples
* pull nails/screws/staples
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* remove conduit as OK'd by electrical team
* remove conduit as OK'd by electrical team
* sand down rust on conduit that will remain
* sand down rust on conduit that will remain
* remove molding with employee info, near front door
 
* remove curtain rod and conduit used as clothing rack
===Focal Points of Prep Work===
<insert map here with locations of prep work needing particular focus highlighted>
 
Walking from the Stairwell Entrance to the right, which would be counter-clockwise along the perimeter of the space:
* Mask Alarm / Intercom[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857305579/]
* <strike>Pull Nails on wall[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857305815/]</strike>
* Scrape peeling paint and clean up the debris from the skylight /ceiling/corner between the doors[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858096350/]
* Mask electrical breakers and anything large and valuable on that corner[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857306453/]
* Dry Wall patch by the wood elevator door[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857306639/]
* <strike>Dry Wall patch in the bike cove space[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857306853][http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858097310/]</strike>
* <strike>Pull staples from the wall in bike cove[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857307267/]</strike>
* <strike>Remove curtain rod and closet rod in the hangout nook, near the fire escape[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858097816]</strike>
* <strike>Remove the 2x4 screwed to the wall in the hangout cove [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857307833]</strike>
* Mask stairs by sliding glass door
* conduit under the Mission-side windows:''' evaluate with electrical team what is staying'''
* Deal with plate covers for the ~6 ancient single outlet plugs in the space [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857308125/]
* Remove conduit laid over windows [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857308345/]
* Pull / Cut phone wire under Mission-side windows [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857308829/]
* Mask Huge pipes in the corner of the space near the windows [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857309043/]
** Easier to keep them unfinished than to try and paint all of them...
* Patch the drywall in the far corner near the huge pipes [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858099444/]
** again focus on pragmatism. This isn't about making it beautiful, but functional.
* Minimize work in the electrical storage closet.
** Enough nice stuff is there that we can hand-roll that room at a point in the future with less hassle than prepping it for spraying now.
* Patch the hole @ knee height near the ADA bathroom [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857309713/]
* Patch the hole near the ground, too [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858100072/]
* Pull / Cut the phone wire by the double doors that extends freely suspended towards the Mission street side of the space
* '''check with electrical ''' Pull plastic conduit for wall, near the ADA bathroom again [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857310137/]
* Patch the small holes in the wall near chest height around the ADA bathroom [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857310369/]
** Bondo works great on these types of holes. It is basically fiberglass suspended in epoxy making it great for spanning smaller segments.
* Remove the random 2x4 near the ADA bathroom [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858100670/]
* Mask Sink [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857310817/]
* '''Check with electrical''' about what is happening with the conduit / future buildout of electrical in the kitchen. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858101090/]
* Scrub and prime the windowsills
* Trash the godawful venetian blinds we have in the kitchen
** They are hideous and will only block early morning light... when no decent hacker is there anyway.
*** And anyone who '''is''' there at that time probably wants the light to be let in anyway.
* Ignore the elevated office with nice crap in it.
** Ignore meaning mask off the window and doorway, cause we aren't painting it for now, see reasons in electrical storage closet above.
* Rip out the minidesk near the shrine and beneath the window of the elevated office [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857311305/]
* Remove shelf with shrine on it
* Dispose of shrine (craigslist freestuff / freecycle?)
* Patch conduit hole
** [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857311495]??? is this the right photo?
* Pull baseboarding off the wall that was serving as a bulliten board space. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858101992/]
** remove molding with employee info, near front door
 
* pull off phone cords and jacks (but not alarm cords)
* pull off phone cords and jacks (but not alarm cords)
* patch holes w/Bondo (big holes) or spackle (small holes).  may need a
* patch holes w/Bondo (big holes) or spackle (small holes).  may need a bit of sheetrock patch for VERY big holes
bit of sheetrock patch for VERY big holes
* remove mini desk under the window near the shrine
* remove shelf with shrine, or not...
* remove shelf with shrine, or not...
* windowsills: scrape as needed vaccuum, scrub with brush, and wipe
* windowsills: scrape as needed vaccuum, scrub with brush, and wipe




3. once walls are up, go around and verify that all prep is complete
3. mask floors, windows, etc
 
 
4. mask floors, windows, etc


* see notes that are physically located on the rear nasty stairwell
* see notes that are physically located on the rear nasty stairwell
* mask to first joint on electrical items
* mask to first joint on electrical items


 
=Painting=
5. prime, using sprayer in most areas but rollers in some:
1. prime, using sprayer in most areas but rollers in some:


* dj booth (to not crap on camera laptop)
* dj booth (to not crap on camera laptop)
* small office (not painting the inside, don't spray over the top)
* small office (not painting the inside, don't spray over the top)
* we don't care about the ladder to the roof
* we don't care about the ladder to the roof
* we don't care about the black pipes by the ceiling (the vertical parts
* we don't care about the black pipes by the ceiling (the vertical parts we can mask or not, whatever)
we can mask or not, whatever)




6. next day, paint, using sprayer similar to how primer was done
2. next day, paint, using sprayer similar to how primer was done


Materials & equipment
==Materials & equipment==
* vaccuum
* vaccuum
* rags (need)
* rags (need)
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* dropcloths (need)
* dropcloths (need)
* brushes?
* brushes?
* rollers (need; I have several)
* rollers (need; Rachel has several)
* roller pans (need; I have several)
* roller pans (need; Rachel has several)
* spackle (need)
* spackle (need)
* bondo (need)
* bondo (need)
* primer for walls (use what was recommended by Whosis?)
* primer for walls (use what was recommended by Gina's friend?)
* primer for windows (use what was recommended by Whosis?)
* primer for windows (use what was recommended by Gina's friend?)
* paint (eggshell or semigloss, white)
* paint (eggshell or semigloss, white)
* ladder(s)
* ladder(s)
* Bill Pollock can get contractor prices at Kelly-Moore




I think we should get the base paint done before deciding about
===Additional Thoughts===
blackboard paint or magnetic paint, as those can be done in entirely
People have fantastic ideas about murals, special paints (blackboard paint, magnetic paint), other decorations, etc.  I think we should get the base paint done before deciding about final treatments, as those can be done in entirely separate processes and there will be a fair amount of time before the space is full of Crap again anyway.  Let's get the base job done and then deal with these one by one as time & energy permit.
separate processes and there will be a fair amount of time before the
space is full of Crap again anyway.  I don't think either of those needs
to be done before the main paint job.
 


== Team Members ==
== Team Members ==


[[User:mrcamuti|Steve AKA Mooch]]
* [[User:mrcamuti|Steve AKA Mooch]]
[[User:rachel|Rachel]]
* [[User:rachel|Rachel]]
Anyone else willing to add themselves.
* Anyone else willing to add themselves.

Latest revision as of 14:41, 8 September 2009

This is a page for capturing ideas associated with the preparation and painting of 2169 Mission #300. Painting -- Responsible for prepping and painting the vertical surfaces of the space beneath the ceiling and over the floor.

  • Budget: rough estimate of $1800-2200
    • Paint estimate for only the current exterior walls (not the columns or baseboarding) is roughly 25 - 30 gallons. $20-45/gallon suggests a paint budget of 600-1400 dollars, not including all prep materials.
  • Basecoat Only, Something Close to White


General Guidelines[edit]

  • We want a pragmatic and quickly-feasible approach taken to painting
  • Our goal is to make the space usable, not finish every little nook and cranny with perfect coverage

Prep Work[edit]

[1]

Rules of thumb:[edit]

  • Clean the surface to be painted sufficiently well enough for their to be good adhesion of a new surface covering layer. This goes for loose dirt or excessive grease (the rear windowsills for example), but generally we do not need to wash the walls.
  • Remove obstructions, or at least minimize their intrusion
    • nails power-hammer driven into cement can't be yanked... but can be snipped off or ground nearly flush with the wall. Of course if they're really high... we probably don't care
  • Mask what we are not painting
    • Mask to the first seam of whatever we cannot fully envelope with plastic and tape, such as electrical outlets
  • Scrape excess paint and debris from the walls
  • Sand the surface until there are smooth edges to any scraped bits.
    • Focus on adhesion for determining when to stop. The wall facing the stairs and sliding glass door fire escape is a great example of great adhesion that has been painted over multiple times.
  • Prime surfaces that will not receive self-priming paint well.
    • Galvanized metals and anything going onto a gloss-finished area are prime (pun intended) examples of what needs to be primed.

Focused Areas[edit]

1. check with electrical team on some of the rusty square conduit and outlets; should they come off or not?

  • front wall attached to the janky breaker box
  • south wall front
  • south wall rear
  • hole in north wall with closed box over it


2. these are the prep needs (pix coming in a bit), so ppl can just go do a small amount of work when they have a chance. Please note that cleanup is part of any task - this is meaningful for scraping loose paint.

Re-Iteration of General guidelines[edit]

  • Of particular importance are the rat-sized holes (there were 3 IIRC).
  • pull nails/screws/staples
  • scrape peeling paint (and clean up)
  • remove conduit as OK'd by electrical team
  • sand down rust on conduit that will remain

Focal Points of Prep Work[edit]

<insert map here with locations of prep work needing particular focus highlighted>

Walking from the Stairwell Entrance to the right, which would be counter-clockwise along the perimeter of the space:

  • Mask Alarm / Intercom[2]
  • Pull Nails on wall[3]
  • Scrape peeling paint and clean up the debris from the skylight /ceiling/corner between the doors[4]
  • Mask electrical breakers and anything large and valuable on that corner[5]
  • Dry Wall patch by the wood elevator door[6]
  • Dry Wall patch in the bike cove space[7][8]
  • Pull staples from the wall in bike cove[9]
  • Remove curtain rod and closet rod in the hangout nook, near the fire escape[10]
  • Remove the 2x4 screwed to the wall in the hangout cove [11]
  • Mask stairs by sliding glass door
  • conduit under the Mission-side windows: evaluate with electrical team what is staying
  • Deal with plate covers for the ~6 ancient single outlet plugs in the space [12]
  • Remove conduit laid over windows [13]
  • Pull / Cut phone wire under Mission-side windows [14]
  • Mask Huge pipes in the corner of the space near the windows [15]
    • Easier to keep them unfinished than to try and paint all of them...
  • Patch the drywall in the far corner near the huge pipes [16]
    • again focus on pragmatism. This isn't about making it beautiful, but functional.
  • Minimize work in the electrical storage closet.
    • Enough nice stuff is there that we can hand-roll that room at a point in the future with less hassle than prepping it for spraying now.
  • Patch the hole @ knee height near the ADA bathroom [17]
  • Patch the hole near the ground, too [18]
  • Pull / Cut the phone wire by the double doors that extends freely suspended towards the Mission street side of the space
  • check with electrical Pull plastic conduit for wall, near the ADA bathroom again [19]
  • Patch the small holes in the wall near chest height around the ADA bathroom [20]
    • Bondo works great on these types of holes. It is basically fiberglass suspended in epoxy making it great for spanning smaller segments.
  • Remove the random 2x4 near the ADA bathroom [21]
  • Mask Sink [22]
  • Check with electrical about what is happening with the conduit / future buildout of electrical in the kitchen. [23]
  • Scrub and prime the windowsills
  • Trash the godawful venetian blinds we have in the kitchen
    • They are hideous and will only block early morning light... when no decent hacker is there anyway.
      • And anyone who is there at that time probably wants the light to be let in anyway.
  • Ignore the elevated office with nice crap in it.
    • Ignore meaning mask off the window and doorway, cause we aren't painting it for now, see reasons in electrical storage closet above.
  • Rip out the minidesk near the shrine and beneath the window of the elevated office [24]
  • Remove shelf with shrine on it
  • Dispose of shrine (craigslist freestuff / freecycle?)
  • Patch conduit hole
    • [25]??? is this the right photo?
  • Pull baseboarding off the wall that was serving as a bulliten board space. [26]
    • remove molding with employee info, near front door
  • pull off phone cords and jacks (but not alarm cords)
  • patch holes w/Bondo (big holes) or spackle (small holes). may need a bit of sheetrock patch for VERY big holes
  • remove shelf with shrine, or not...
  • windowsills: scrape as needed vaccuum, scrub with brush, and wipe


3. mask floors, windows, etc

  • see notes that are physically located on the rear nasty stairwell
  • mask to first joint on electrical items

Painting[edit]

1. prime, using sprayer in most areas but rollers in some:

  • dj booth (to not crap on camera laptop)
  • small office (not painting the inside, don't spray over the top)
  • we don't care about the ladder to the roof
  • we don't care about the black pipes by the ceiling (the vertical parts we can mask or not, whatever)


2. next day, paint, using sprayer similar to how primer was done

Materials & equipment[edit]

  • vaccuum
  • rags (need)
  • dish scrubbers (for rust)
  • scrapers
  • broom & dustpan
  • masking tape (need)
  • dropcloths (need)
  • brushes?
  • rollers (need; Rachel has several)
  • roller pans (need; Rachel has several)
  • spackle (need)
  • bondo (need)
  • primer for walls (use what was recommended by Gina's friend?)
  • primer for windows (use what was recommended by Gina's friend?)
  • paint (eggshell or semigloss, white)
  • ladder(s)
  • Bill Pollock can get contractor prices at Kelly-Moore


Additional Thoughts[edit]

People have fantastic ideas about murals, special paints (blackboard paint, magnetic paint), other decorations, etc. I think we should get the base paint done before deciding about final treatments, as those can be done in entirely separate processes and there will be a fair amount of time before the space is full of Crap again anyway. Let's get the base job done and then deal with these one by one as time & energy permit.

Team Members[edit]