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This is a page for capturing ideas associated with the preparation and painting of [[Moving/2169_Mission|2169 Mission #300]]. | This is a page for capturing ideas associated with the preparation and painting of [[Moving/2169_Mission|2169 Mission #300]]. | ||
Painting -- Responsible for prepping and painting the vertical surfaces of the space beneath the ceiling and over the floor. | |||
* Budget: '''rough''' estimate of $1800-2200 | |||
** Paint estimate for only the current exterior walls (not the columns or baseboarding) is roughly 25 - 30 gallons. $20-45/gallon suggests a paint budget of 600-1400 dollars, not including all prep materials. | |||
* Basecoat Only, Something Close to White | |||
= General Guidelines = | = General Guidelines = | ||
* We want a pragmatic and quickly-feasible approach taken to painting | * We want a pragmatic and quickly-feasible approach taken to painting | ||
* Our goal is to make the space usable, not finish every little nook and cranny with perfect coverage | * Our goal is to make the space usable, not finish every little nook and cranny with perfect coverage | ||
= | = Prep Work = | ||
[http://www.easy2diy.com/cm/easy/diy_ht_3d_index.asp?page_id=35766619] | |||
== | ==Rules of thumb:== | ||
* '''Clean the surface''' to be painted sufficiently well enough for their to be good adhesion of a new surface covering layer. | * '''Clean the surface''' to be painted sufficiently well enough for their to be good adhesion of a new surface covering layer. This goes for loose dirt or excessive grease (the rear windowsills for example), but generally we do not need to wash the walls. | ||
* '''Remove obstructions''', or at least minimize their intrusion | * '''Remove obstructions''', or at least minimize their intrusion | ||
**nails power-hammer driven into cement can't be yanked... but can be snipped off or ground nearly flush with the wall. | ** nails power-hammer driven into cement can't be yanked... but can be snipped off or ground nearly flush with the wall. Of course if they're really high... we probably don't care | ||
* '''Mask what we are not painting''' | * '''Mask what we are not painting''' | ||
** Mask to the first seam of whatever we cannot fully envelope with plastic and tape | ** Mask to the first seam of whatever we cannot fully envelope with plastic and tape, such as electrical outlets | ||
* '''Scrape''' excess paint and debris from the walls | * '''Scrape''' excess paint and debris from the walls | ||
* '''Sand''' the surface until there are smooth edges to any scraped bits. | * '''Sand''' the surface until there are smooth edges to any scraped bits. | ||
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** Galvanized metals and anything going onto a gloss-finished area are prime (pun intended) examples of what needs to be primed. | ** Galvanized metals and anything going onto a gloss-finished area are prime (pun intended) examples of what needs to be primed. | ||
= | == Focused Areas == | ||
1. '''check with electrical team''' on some of the rusty square conduit and outlets; should they come off or not? | |||
* front wall attached to the janky breaker box | |||
* south wall front | |||
* south wall rear | |||
* hole in north wall with closed box over it | |||
2. these are the prep needs (pix coming in a bit), so ppl can just go do a small amount of work when they have a chance. Please note that cleanup is part of any task - this is meaningful for scraping loose paint. | |||
===Re-Iteration of General guidelines=== | |||
* Of particular importance are the rat-sized holes (there were 3 IIRC). | |||
* pull nails/screws/staples | |||
* scrape peeling paint (and clean up) | |||
* remove conduit as OK'd by electrical team | |||
* sand down rust on conduit that will remain | |||
===Focal Points of Prep Work=== | |||
<insert map here with locations of prep work needing particular focus highlighted> | |||
Walking from the Stairwell Entrance to the right, which would be counter-clockwise along the perimeter of the space: | |||
* Mask Alarm / Intercom[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857305579/] | |||
* <strike>Pull Nails on wall[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857305815/]</strike> | |||
* Scrape peeling paint and clean up the debris from the skylight /ceiling/corner between the doors[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858096350/] | |||
* Mask electrical breakers and anything large and valuable on that corner[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857306453/] | |||
* Dry Wall patch by the wood elevator door[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857306639/] | |||
* <strike>Dry Wall patch in the bike cove space[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857306853][http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858097310/]</strike> | |||
* <strike>Pull staples from the wall in bike cove[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857307267/]</strike> | |||
* <strike>Remove curtain rod and closet rod in the hangout nook, near the fire escape[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858097816]</strike> | |||
* <strike>Remove the 2x4 screwed to the wall in the hangout cove [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857307833]</strike> | |||
* Mask stairs by sliding glass door | |||
* conduit under the Mission-side windows:''' evaluate with electrical team what is staying''' | |||
* Deal with plate covers for the ~6 ancient single outlet plugs in the space [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857308125/] | |||
* Remove conduit laid over windows [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857308345/] | |||
* Pull / Cut phone wire under Mission-side windows [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857308829/] | |||
* Mask Huge pipes in the corner of the space near the windows [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857309043/] | |||
** Easier to keep them unfinished than to try and paint all of them... | |||
* Patch the drywall in the far corner near the huge pipes [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858099444/] | |||
** again focus on pragmatism. This isn't about making it beautiful, but functional. | |||
* Minimize work in the electrical storage closet. | |||
** Enough nice stuff is there that we can hand-roll that room at a point in the future with less hassle than prepping it for spraying now. | |||
* Patch the hole @ knee height near the ADA bathroom [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857309713/] | |||
* Patch the hole near the ground, too [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858100072/] | |||
* Pull / Cut the phone wire by the double doors that extends freely suspended towards the Mission street side of the space | |||
* '''check with electrical ''' Pull plastic conduit for wall, near the ADA bathroom again [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857310137/] | |||
* Patch the small holes in the wall near chest height around the ADA bathroom [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857310369/] | |||
** Bondo works great on these types of holes. It is basically fiberglass suspended in epoxy making it great for spanning smaller segments. | |||
* Remove the random 2x4 near the ADA bathroom [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858100670/] | |||
* Mask Sink [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857310817/] | |||
* '''Check with electrical''' about what is happening with the conduit / future buildout of electrical in the kitchen. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858101090/] | |||
* Scrub and prime the windowsills | |||
* Trash the godawful venetian blinds we have in the kitchen | |||
** They are hideous and will only block early morning light... when no decent hacker is there anyway. | |||
*** And anyone who '''is''' there at that time probably wants the light to be let in anyway. | |||
* Ignore the elevated office with nice crap in it. | |||
** Ignore meaning mask off the window and doorway, cause we aren't painting it for now, see reasons in electrical storage closet above. | |||
* Rip out the minidesk near the shrine and beneath the window of the elevated office [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857311305/] | |||
* Remove shelf with shrine on it | |||
* Dispose of shrine (craigslist freestuff / freecycle?) | |||
* Patch conduit hole | |||
** [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857311495]??? is this the right photo? | |||
* Pull baseboarding off the wall that was serving as a bulliten board space. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858101992/] | |||
** remove molding with employee info, near front door | |||
* pull off phone cords and jacks (but not alarm cords) | |||
* patch holes w/Bondo (big holes) or spackle (small holes). may need a bit of sheetrock patch for VERY big holes | |||
* remove shelf with shrine, or not... | |||
* windowsills: scrape as needed vaccuum, scrub with brush, and wipe | |||
3. mask floors, windows, etc | |||
* see notes that are physically located on the rear nasty stairwell | |||
* | * mask to first joint on electrical items | ||
* | |||
= | =Painting= | ||
1. prime, using sprayer in most areas but rollers in some: | |||
* | * dj booth (to not crap on camera laptop) | ||
* small office (not painting the inside, don't spray over the top) | |||
* we don't care about the ladder to the roof | |||
* we don't care about the black pipes by the ceiling (the vertical parts we can mask or not, whatever) | |||
2. next day, paint, using sprayer similar to how primer was done | |||
==== | ==Materials & equipment== | ||
* vaccuum | |||
* | * rags (need) | ||
* | * dish scrubbers (for rust) | ||
* | * scrapers | ||
* | * broom & dustpan | ||
* | * masking tape (need) | ||
* | * dropcloths (need) | ||
* brushes? | |||
* rollers (need; Rachel has several) | |||
* roller pans (need; Rachel has several) | |||
* spackle (need) | |||
* bondo (need) | |||
* primer for walls (use what was recommended by Gina's friend?) | |||
* primer for windows (use what was recommended by Gina's friend?) | |||
* paint (eggshell or semigloss, white) | |||
* ladder(s) | |||
* Bill Pollock can get contractor prices at Kelly-Moore | |||
===Additional Thoughts=== | |||
People have fantastic ideas about murals, special paints (blackboard paint, magnetic paint), other decorations, etc. I think we should get the base paint done before deciding about final treatments, as those can be done in entirely separate processes and there will be a fair amount of time before the space is full of Crap again anyway. Let's get the base job done and then deal with these one by one as time & energy permit. | |||
== Team Members == | |||
* [[User:mrcamuti|Steve AKA Mooch]] | |||
* | * [[User:rachel|Rachel]] | ||
* Anyone else willing to add themselves. |
Latest revision as of 14:41, 8 September 2009
This is a page for capturing ideas associated with the preparation and painting of 2169 Mission #300. Painting -- Responsible for prepping and painting the vertical surfaces of the space beneath the ceiling and over the floor.
- Budget: rough estimate of $1800-2200
- Paint estimate for only the current exterior walls (not the columns or baseboarding) is roughly 25 - 30 gallons. $20-45/gallon suggests a paint budget of 600-1400 dollars, not including all prep materials.
- Basecoat Only, Something Close to White
General Guidelines[edit]
- We want a pragmatic and quickly-feasible approach taken to painting
- Our goal is to make the space usable, not finish every little nook and cranny with perfect coverage
Prep Work[edit]
Rules of thumb:[edit]
- Clean the surface to be painted sufficiently well enough for their to be good adhesion of a new surface covering layer. This goes for loose dirt or excessive grease (the rear windowsills for example), but generally we do not need to wash the walls.
- Remove obstructions, or at least minimize their intrusion
- nails power-hammer driven into cement can't be yanked... but can be snipped off or ground nearly flush with the wall. Of course if they're really high... we probably don't care
- Mask what we are not painting
- Mask to the first seam of whatever we cannot fully envelope with plastic and tape, such as electrical outlets
- Scrape excess paint and debris from the walls
- Sand the surface until there are smooth edges to any scraped bits.
- Focus on adhesion for determining when to stop. The wall facing the stairs and sliding glass door fire escape is a great example of great adhesion that has been painted over multiple times.
- Prime surfaces that will not receive self-priming paint well.
- Galvanized metals and anything going onto a gloss-finished area are prime (pun intended) examples of what needs to be primed.
Focused Areas[edit]
1. check with electrical team on some of the rusty square conduit and outlets; should they come off or not?
- front wall attached to the janky breaker box
- south wall front
- south wall rear
- hole in north wall with closed box over it
2. these are the prep needs (pix coming in a bit), so ppl can just go do a small amount of work when they have a chance. Please note that cleanup is part of any task - this is meaningful for scraping loose paint.
Re-Iteration of General guidelines[edit]
- Of particular importance are the rat-sized holes (there were 3 IIRC).
- pull nails/screws/staples
- scrape peeling paint (and clean up)
- remove conduit as OK'd by electrical team
- sand down rust on conduit that will remain
Focal Points of Prep Work[edit]
<insert map here with locations of prep work needing particular focus highlighted>
Walking from the Stairwell Entrance to the right, which would be counter-clockwise along the perimeter of the space:
- Mask Alarm / Intercom[2]
Pull Nails on wall[3]- Scrape peeling paint and clean up the debris from the skylight /ceiling/corner between the doors[4]
- Mask electrical breakers and anything large and valuable on that corner[5]
- Dry Wall patch by the wood elevator door[6]
Dry Wall patch in the bike cove space[7][8]Pull staples from the wall in bike cove[9]Remove curtain rod and closet rod in the hangout nook, near the fire escape[10]Remove the 2x4 screwed to the wall in the hangout cove [11]- Mask stairs by sliding glass door
- conduit under the Mission-side windows: evaluate with electrical team what is staying
- Deal with plate covers for the ~6 ancient single outlet plugs in the space [12]
- Remove conduit laid over windows [13]
- Pull / Cut phone wire under Mission-side windows [14]
- Mask Huge pipes in the corner of the space near the windows [15]
- Easier to keep them unfinished than to try and paint all of them...
- Patch the drywall in the far corner near the huge pipes [16]
- again focus on pragmatism. This isn't about making it beautiful, but functional.
- Minimize work in the electrical storage closet.
- Enough nice stuff is there that we can hand-roll that room at a point in the future with less hassle than prepping it for spraying now.
- Patch the hole @ knee height near the ADA bathroom [17]
- Patch the hole near the ground, too [18]
- Pull / Cut the phone wire by the double doors that extends freely suspended towards the Mission street side of the space
- check with electrical Pull plastic conduit for wall, near the ADA bathroom again [19]
- Patch the small holes in the wall near chest height around the ADA bathroom [20]
- Bondo works great on these types of holes. It is basically fiberglass suspended in epoxy making it great for spanning smaller segments.
- Remove the random 2x4 near the ADA bathroom [21]
- Mask Sink [22]
- Check with electrical about what is happening with the conduit / future buildout of electrical in the kitchen. [23]
- Scrub and prime the windowsills
- Trash the godawful venetian blinds we have in the kitchen
- They are hideous and will only block early morning light... when no decent hacker is there anyway.
- And anyone who is there at that time probably wants the light to be let in anyway.
- They are hideous and will only block early morning light... when no decent hacker is there anyway.
- Ignore the elevated office with nice crap in it.
- Ignore meaning mask off the window and doorway, cause we aren't painting it for now, see reasons in electrical storage closet above.
- Rip out the minidesk near the shrine and beneath the window of the elevated office [24]
- Remove shelf with shrine on it
- Dispose of shrine (craigslist freestuff / freecycle?)
- Patch conduit hole
- [25]??? is this the right photo?
- Pull baseboarding off the wall that was serving as a bulliten board space. [26]
- remove molding with employee info, near front door
- pull off phone cords and jacks (but not alarm cords)
- patch holes w/Bondo (big holes) or spackle (small holes). may need a bit of sheetrock patch for VERY big holes
- remove shelf with shrine, or not...
- windowsills: scrape as needed vaccuum, scrub with brush, and wipe
3. mask floors, windows, etc
- see notes that are physically located on the rear nasty stairwell
- mask to first joint on electrical items
Painting[edit]
1. prime, using sprayer in most areas but rollers in some:
- dj booth (to not crap on camera laptop)
- small office (not painting the inside, don't spray over the top)
- we don't care about the ladder to the roof
- we don't care about the black pipes by the ceiling (the vertical parts we can mask or not, whatever)
2. next day, paint, using sprayer similar to how primer was done
Materials & equipment[edit]
- vaccuum
- rags (need)
- dish scrubbers (for rust)
- scrapers
- broom & dustpan
- masking tape (need)
- dropcloths (need)
- brushes?
- rollers (need; Rachel has several)
- roller pans (need; Rachel has several)
- spackle (need)
- bondo (need)
- primer for walls (use what was recommended by Gina's friend?)
- primer for windows (use what was recommended by Gina's friend?)
- paint (eggshell or semigloss, white)
- ladder(s)
- Bill Pollock can get contractor prices at Kelly-Moore
Additional Thoughts[edit]
People have fantastic ideas about murals, special paints (blackboard paint, magnetic paint), other decorations, etc. I think we should get the base paint done before deciding about final treatments, as those can be done in entirely separate processes and there will be a fair amount of time before the space is full of Crap again anyway. Let's get the base job done and then deal with these one by one as time & energy permit.
Team Members[edit]
- Steve AKA Mooch
- Rachel
- Anyone else willing to add themselves.