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== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] == ''revert to Member / associate member structure for recognized forms of NB participation. (bureaucracy Pull Request #35) Condition: this decision in no way ratifies the language used in the Policy Manual in the bureaucracy repo.'' Naomi: most people think of what are now members as associate members, and the name is still used. Council members is only being used by council members that are using the title to assert authority. Otherwise "Capital M" members is still being used. Cynthia: what about calling them "consensed" Monad: just revert it. Bill: can we describe the process? Naomi: the process for associate is making a wiki page, getting 4 endorsements. This is becoming part of the club without going through consensus. Deja: so then you are a member? Naomi: Associate members cannot block consensus. Kevin: A while ago new access control was tried out. Only Members and associate members could be in the space. Monad: A person can be asked to leave if they are not an associate member or Member. Deja: I have an issue with this, people are bullying and kick out people with out sponsors. No good. Naomi: We already have a situation where anyone can tell anyone to leave if they are threatened. Sometimes this can be silly, or a power trip. Deja: there needs to be more definite reasons why. Kevin: The only issue I have with this proposal. Since i think the associate class should be removed. Adrian: The whole point is to remove people who don't want to participate at a minimum level. We should fix the undoing of the thing that is broken then do the next thing. I'd rather see tiny steps toward directions. Emerson: what is the process for becoming a member? Naomi: explains John: how would we do access control Kevin: 24/7 Naomi: I think removing the associate member class is a disrespect to the many people who jumped through the hoops to get that status. Dan: if we are going to discuss the removal of the associate member category, we should do it in the simplest language, what ever is easiest to use to use during discussion. Naomi: There are still places on the github where the membership categories are confused. Kevin: I'm sorry to dump several things on this proposal. Ref. github policy manual and the wording of the membership markdowns. I don't expect that this policy manual has been consensed on in the first place and consenting on this is consenting on the document that is not under consensus. Naomi: Would you agree on adding language to this proposal that mentions that we are consenting on this definition change but not on the policy manual -- that we're not implicitly consenting to the policy manual itself? Kevin: we still haven't consensed on an initial state for the policy manual. Adrian: do you have a proposal in mind. Kevin: there was a previous proposal. I thing the policy manual is too verbose and should be simplified into a tighter policy manual. Naomi: The additional language would define the scope of the proposal. Adrian: we can continue to update the language. Naomi: I don't think this language change is substantial enough to warrant another week of discussion. Only that this is a notice regarding the scope of the change, but the official wording of the proposal is the same. '''Consensed, with the official note in the notes that this only changes the wording of the text of the policy document and does not address the fact that the policy document is still not yet consensed.'''
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