Meeting Notes 2014 01 07

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Attendees:
 
Attendees:
 
Danny: work on dysfunction democracies & functional programming languges
 
Danny: work on dysfunction democracies & functional programming languges
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Josh: awesome notetaker, programs for IBM and self, supergenius
 
Josh: awesome notetaker, programs for IBM and self, supergenius
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Ron: hack on liux help people learn
 
Ron: hack on liux help people learn
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Dana: works on geoinformation
 
Dana: works on geoinformation
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Brashant: first time at noisebridge
 
Brashant: first time at noisebridge
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Romi: likes to make thnngs
 
Romi: likes to make thnngs
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Kate: first meeting, programmer, retro video games
 
Kate: first meeting, programmer, retro video games
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Al: python for kids
 
Al: python for kids
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Cynthia: retred physician find some to fix macs
 
Cynthia: retred physician find some to fix macs
 +
 
Norman: Large events, learning mobile platforms
 
Norman: Large events, learning mobile platforms
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Charlie: that's all
 
Charlie: that's all
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Naomi : genetic programmer
 
Naomi : genetic programmer
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Ari: android dev. Electro music
 
Ari: android dev. Electro music
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Nick: didn't intend to join meeting, dev, from portland, overworked, happy to contribute
 
Nick: didn't intend to join meeting, dev, from portland, overworked, happy to contribute
Monan: fool around building fixing
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Monad: fool around building fixing
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Robin: bring art and tech together
 
Robin: bring art and tech together
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Carl: mobile apps
 
Carl: mobile apps
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Amy: forgot mouse, still sitting here
 
Amy: forgot mouse, still sitting here
 +
 
Kevin: exploring new languages
 
Kevin: exploring new languages
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John: programmer, neurosurgeon
 
John: programmer, neurosurgeon
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Douglas: circuit musician
 
Douglas: circuit musician
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Lauren: read about us
 
Lauren: read about us
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Sara: use darkroom, write, take photos, crafty
 
Sara: use darkroom, write, take photos, crafty
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Tom: shocked by amount of ambient surveillance
 
Tom: shocked by amount of ambient surveillance
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X: Hacks on hacker spaces, midway through week of paranoia
 
X: Hacks on hacker spaces, midway through week of paranoia
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Darren:   
 
Darren:   
  
 
Short Announcements:
 
Short Announcements:
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Lockers now $10 month
 
Lockers now $10 month
 +
 
Norman resigning as noisebridge radio operator
 
Norman resigning as noisebridge radio operator
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X: working to revive spacebridge meets 7:30 tuesdays
 
X: working to revive spacebridge meets 7:30 tuesdays
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Blaire volunteers to take over as radio officer
 
Blaire volunteers to take over as radio officer
 +
 
godwafflenoisepancakes = Pancakes and free vegan waffles sunday at noon
 
godwafflenoisepancakes = Pancakes and free vegan waffles sunday at noon
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planning on brewing mate for godwafflenoisepancakes
 
planning on brewing mate for godwafflenoisepancakes
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first mothly meeting for book fem for men : fem for everyone by bel hooks
 
first mothly meeting for book fem for men : fem for everyone by bel hooks
  
 
Discussion Items:
 
Discussion Items:
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Cost of lockers
 
Cost of lockers
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Agreements without consensus
 
Agreements without consensus
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the bridge
 
the bridge
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Membership Binder:
 
Membership Binder:
  
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douglas botten: last
 
douglas botten: last
 
ronald kutoni: 1st
 
ronald kutoni: 1st
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Financial Report:
 
Financial Report:
 
33,214.19 $$ including noisetor
 
33,214.19 $$ including noisetor
 
~ 23,000 excluding noisetor
 
~ 23,000 excluding noisetor
6, 000/month outgoing
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Consensus Items:
 
Consensus Items:
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new:
 
new:
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cost of lockers, defrayed by rent, something, something
 
cost of lockers, defrayed by rent, something, something
 +
 
no sleeping at noisebridge
 
no sleeping at noisebridge
 +
 
anti-harassment policy
 
anti-harassment policy
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old:
 
old:
change to consensus agreement regarding access to noisebridge - 6
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in order to validly pass cons process, items will be on website week before etc. - 6
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rename members to council, associate members to members - 0
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responsibility of everyone to contribute as they are able - 1
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attach expiration of 80 days to associate membership - 1
+
abandon consensus, use majority associate members to full members - 9
+
meeting streamed in audio moved to 7pm – 11
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  - meeting move to 7 – passes provided it is publicized
 
  - meeting move to 7 – passes provided it is publicized
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prefer 8
 
prefer 8
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get more things done if start at 7
 
get more things done if start at 7
 +
 
gets up at 4 am
 
gets up at 4 am
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pdp-11's are awesome
 
pdp-11's are awesome
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7 pm is good 8pm is ok
 
7 pm is good 8pm is ok
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7 pm slight preference
 
7 pm slight preference
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publicize if we do
 
publicize if we do
  
 
- abandon consensus, etc.
 
- abandon consensus, etc.
 +
 
continue/delay until they get back from CCC
 
continue/delay until they get back from CCC
 +
 
will not consense this week
 
will not consense this week
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just discuss
 
just discuss
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go to disccussion for discussion
 
go to disccussion for discussion
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problematic because of block, gets in the way of progress
 
problematic because of block, gets in the way of progress
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simply majority has problem, blocking has a problem, compromise supermajority
 
simply majority has problem, blocking has a problem, compromise supermajority
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balances like 51% supermajority
 
balances like 51% supermajority
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anti-consensus – tyranny of majority, demographic shift have radical impact, gives power to those with politicking ability, dogmatism of majority
 
anti-consensus – tyranny of majority, demographic shift have radical impact, gives power to those with politicking ability, dogmatism of majority
consensus fails when you fool all of the people some of the time, you can't fool all the people all the time thank god for consensus, it has passed shitty things, majority alloows slightly smarter people to fool some of the people some of the time
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the way that consensus is happening right now is not working, but there are other consensus models, like mostly consensus with the option for supermajority on contensious issues, bring someone in to talk about consensus
+
consensus fails when you fool all of the people some of the time, you can't fool all the people all the time thank god for consensus, it has passed shitty things,  
 +
 
 +
majority alloows slightly smarter people to fool some of the people some of the time
 +
 
 +
the way that consensus is happening right now is not working, but there are other consensus models, like mostly consensus with the option for supermajority on  
 +
 
 +
contensious issues, bring someone in to talk about consensus
 +
 
 
consensus is great but there are problems wih any social construct exploits are possible especially wih a house full of hackers
 
consensus is great but there are problems wih any social construct exploits are possible especially wih a house full of hackers
 +
 
express happiness that above was brought up, different process for different issues, don't spoil (kinda) winning tradition
 
express happiness that above was brought up, different process for different issues, don't spoil (kinda) winning tradition
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items have lifetime where they die if they are not voted on within time period
 
items have lifetime where they die if they are not voted on within time period
 +
 
emotionalism and theatrics will change if system of voting changes
 
emotionalism and theatrics will change if system of voting changes
 +
 
don't believe that drama is inherent in consensus, hear how consensus has not been working specifically
 
don't believe that drama is inherent in consensus, hear how consensus has not been working specifically
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people have been yelled at for things, their feelings were hurt, feel excluded
 
people have been yelled at for things, their feelings were hurt, feel excluded
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different things/discussion emailed to Al
 
different things/discussion emailed to Al
  
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Discussion:  
 
Discussion:  
 
- the bridge
 
- the bridge
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what is it? For what will it be used?
 
what is it? For what will it be used?
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X explains:
 
X explains:
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12 days ago 30c3 starts- logistical challenges with time differences, rearranged things to facilitate area delineated from the rest of noisebridge, work on elaborate projects/have nice things
 
12 days ago 30c3 starts- logistical challenges with time differences, rearranged things to facilitate area delineated from the rest of noisebridge, work on elaborate projects/have nice things
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Q/A
 
Q/A
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there's a bed, who will be sleeping there?
 
there's a bed, who will be sleeping there?
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X has been sleeping there, if anyone were sleeping there they should: not sleep there more than 4 hours, 2 people on the bridge at all times, be fully aware and accept that it may or may not be available, there was tension
 
X has been sleeping there, if anyone were sleeping there they should: not sleep there more than 4 hours, 2 people on the bridge at all times, be fully aware and accept that it may or may not be available, there was tension
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why refuse to mention bridge && sleep in especial on discusss  
 
why refuse to mention bridge && sleep in especial on discusss  
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claims some convo's are on the wiki, he unsubscribed from discuss, purposefully didn't want to do this because he was(n't) a member
 
claims some convo's are on the wiki, he unsubscribed from discuss, purposefully didn't want to do this because he was(n't) a member
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there is a clear reason: unfriendly rhetorical techniques, scoial matrix of toxicity
 
there is a clear reason: unfriendly rhetorical techniques, scoial matrix of toxicity
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seems like this is a residency, against terms of lease/zoning, heirarchical model that is counter to the space, doesn't know where this is coming from, place didn't get cleaner when this happened
 
seems like this is a residency, against terms of lease/zoning, heirarchical model that is counter to the space, doesn't know where this is coming from, place didn't get cleaner when this happened
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space bridge did get cleaner
 
space bridge did get cleaner
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this is n the spirit of noisebridge, people take ownership because they stay there which helps people feel engaged
 
this is n the spirit of noisebridge, people take ownership because they stay there which helps people feel engaged
doesn't want to use discuss because he is creeped out by al
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dan doesn't want to use discuss because he is creeped out by al
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jc went against rules? For personal reasons, has been reticent to  break it down, he is attached
 
jc went against rules? For personal reasons, has been reticent to  break it down, he is attached
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glad we're talking about it, two questions and comment: is the bridge open to public? If not, who determines to whom it's open?
 
glad we're talking about it, two questions and comment: is the bridge open to public? If not, who determines to whom it's open?
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Attitudes toward sleep have changed, cleanliness issue, is this a know part of the space to be used by members guests, what?
 
Attitudes toward sleep have changed, cleanliness issue, is this a know part of the space to be used by members guests, what?
 +
 
Resmebles residece/place people are not welcome, mixed up?
 
Resmebles residece/place people are not welcome, mixed up?
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Never been lock or door, never told anyone they are not welcome/ cannot come in, cautions people that innapropriate for children things might be happening, nobody controls access, some people have made use of the pod/space/whatever, no one has directly asked him to disassemble
 
Never been lock or door, never told anyone they are not welcome/ cannot come in, cautions people that innapropriate for children things might be happening, nobody controls access, some people have made use of the pod/space/whatever, no one has directly asked him to disassemble
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idea of sleeping there not liked, place set aside not good, people prefer if it were opened up
 
idea of sleeping there not liked, place set aside not good, people prefer if it were opened up
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people spend a lot of time in part of space, develop sense of ownership, at the end of that process need to take a break
 
people spend a lot of time in part of space, develop sense of ownership, at the end of that process need to take a break
 
8 people out of 30 asked to have pod taken down
 
8 people out of 30 asked to have pod taken down
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not consensus, just asking
 
not consensus, just asking
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does anyone favor jc continuing the bridge
 
does anyone favor jc continuing the bridge
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can the pod be turned into something more fluid/ moved
 
can the pod be turned into something more fluid/ moved
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fine with it without sleep pod
 
fine with it without sleep pod
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agrees that removal of sleep pod can be done
 
agrees that removal of sleep pod can be done
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someone took my fishtank
 
someone took my fishtank
  
 
who the people are how many voted yay or nay?
 
who the people are how many voted yay or nay?
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Different topc
 
Different topc
  

Latest revision as of 00:07, 8 January 2014

Moderator: Danny O'Brien Notetaker: Josh

Attendees: Danny: work on dysfunction democracies & functional programming languges

Josh: awesome notetaker, programs for IBM and self, supergenius

Ron: hack on liux help people learn

Dana: works on geoinformation

Brashant: first time at noisebridge

Romi: likes to make thnngs

Kate: first meeting, programmer, retro video games

Al: python for kids

Cynthia: retred physician find some to fix macs

Norman: Large events, learning mobile platforms

Charlie: that's all

Naomi : genetic programmer

Ari: android dev. Electro music

Nick: didn't intend to join meeting, dev, from portland, overworked, happy to contribute

Monad: fool around building fixing

Robin: bring art and tech together

Carl: mobile apps

Amy: forgot mouse, still sitting here

Kevin: exploring new languages

John: programmer, neurosurgeon

Douglas: circuit musician

Lauren: read about us

Sara: use darkroom, write, take photos, crafty

Tom: shocked by amount of ambient surveillance

X: Hacks on hacker spaces, midway through week of paranoia

Darren:

Short Announcements:

Lockers now $10 month

Norman resigning as noisebridge radio operator

X: working to revive spacebridge meets 7:30 tuesdays

Blaire volunteers to take over as radio officer

godwafflenoisepancakes = Pancakes and free vegan waffles sunday at noon

planning on brewing mate for godwafflenoisepancakes

first mothly meeting for book fem for men : fem for everyone by bel hooks

Discussion Items:

Cost of lockers

Agreements without consensus

the bridge

Membership Binder:

chris wipple: last week taylor austin: last week Harry lesenski: week 2 Kanad Hackathel: last week other guy: last week kate kligman: week 1 alex perez: last week alex pique: last week john shut last sam teppa: last madeline: last douglas botten: last ronald kutoni: 1st

Financial Report: 33,214.19 $$ including noisetor ~ 23,000 excluding noisetor


Consensus Items:

new:

cost of lockers, defrayed by rent, something, something

no sleeping at noisebridge

anti-harassment policy

old:


- meeting move to 7 – passes provided it is publicized

prefer 8

get more things done if start at 7

gets up at 4 am

pdp-11's are awesome

7 pm is good 8pm is ok

7 pm slight preference

publicize if we do

- abandon consensus, etc.

continue/delay until they get back from CCC

will not consense this week

just discuss

go to disccussion for discussion

problematic because of block, gets in the way of progress

simply majority has problem, blocking has a problem, compromise supermajority

balances like 51% supermajority

anti-consensus – tyranny of majority, demographic shift have radical impact, gives power to those with politicking ability, dogmatism of majority

consensus fails when you fool all of the people some of the time, you can't fool all the people all the time thank god for consensus, it has passed shitty things,

majority alloows slightly smarter people to fool some of the people some of the time

the way that consensus is happening right now is not working, but there are other consensus models, like mostly consensus with the option for supermajority on

contensious issues, bring someone in to talk about consensus

consensus is great but there are problems wih any social construct exploits are possible especially wih a house full of hackers

express happiness that above was brought up, different process for different issues, don't spoil (kinda) winning tradition

items have lifetime where they die if they are not voted on within time period

emotionalism and theatrics will change if system of voting changes

don't believe that drama is inherent in consensus, hear how consensus has not been working specifically

people have been yelled at for things, their feelings were hurt, feel excluded

different things/discussion emailed to Al


Discussion: - the bridge

what is it? For what will it be used?

X explains:

12 days ago 30c3 starts- logistical challenges with time differences, rearranged things to facilitate area delineated from the rest of noisebridge, work on elaborate projects/have nice things

Q/A

there's a bed, who will be sleeping there?

X has been sleeping there, if anyone were sleeping there they should: not sleep there more than 4 hours, 2 people on the bridge at all times, be fully aware and accept that it may or may not be available, there was tension

why refuse to mention bridge && sleep in especial on discusss

claims some convo's are on the wiki, he unsubscribed from discuss, purposefully didn't want to do this because he was(n't) a member

there is a clear reason: unfriendly rhetorical techniques, scoial matrix of toxicity

seems like this is a residency, against terms of lease/zoning, heirarchical model that is counter to the space, doesn't know where this is coming from, place didn't get cleaner when this happened

space bridge did get cleaner

this is n the spirit of noisebridge, people take ownership because they stay there which helps people feel engaged

dan doesn't want to use discuss because he is creeped out by al

jc went against rules? For personal reasons, has been reticent to break it down, he is attached

glad we're talking about it, two questions and comment: is the bridge open to public? If not, who determines to whom it's open?

Attitudes toward sleep have changed, cleanliness issue, is this a know part of the space to be used by members guests, what?

Resmebles residece/place people are not welcome, mixed up?

Never been lock or door, never told anyone they are not welcome/ cannot come in, cautions people that innapropriate for children things might be happening, nobody controls access, some people have made use of the pod/space/whatever, no one has directly asked him to disassemble

idea of sleeping there not liked, place set aside not good, people prefer if it were opened up

people spend a lot of time in part of space, develop sense of ownership, at the end of that process need to take a break 8 people out of 30 asked to have pod taken down

not consensus, just asking

does anyone favor jc continuing the bridge

can the pod be turned into something more fluid/ moved

fine with it without sleep pod

agrees that removal of sleep pod can be done

someone took my fishtank

who the people are how many voted yay or nay?

Different topc

Different topic: kitchen, people are upset about things about the kitchen

for consensus next week: anti-harassment policy accepted in current form?. Now that the meeting is over, don't forget to post the meeting notes to the wiki and e-mail the discussion list with a short summary.

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