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Attendees:
Attendees:
Danny: work on dysfunction democracies & functional programming languges
Danny: work on dysfunction democracies & functional programming languges
Josh: awesome notetaker, programs for IBM and self, supergenius
Josh: awesome notetaker, programs for IBM and self, supergenius
Ron: hack on liux help people learn
Ron: hack on liux help people learn
Dana: works on geoinformation
Dana: works on geoinformation
Brashant: first time at noisebridge
Brashant: first time at noisebridge
Romi: likes to make thnngs
Romi: likes to make thnngs
Kate: first meeting, programmer, retro video games
Kate: first meeting, programmer, retro video games
Al: python for kids
Al: python for kids
Cynthia: retred physician find some to fix macs
Cynthia: retred physician find some to fix macs
Norman: Large events, learning mobile platforms
Norman: Large events, learning mobile platforms
Charlie: that's all
Charlie: that's all
Naomi : genetic programmer
Naomi : genetic programmer
Ari: android dev. Electro music
Ari: android dev. Electro music
Nick: didn't intend to join meeting, dev, from portland, overworked, happy to contribute
Nick: didn't intend to join meeting, dev, from portland, overworked, happy to contribute
 
Monan: fool around building fixing
Monad: fool around building fixing
 
Robin: bring art and tech together
Robin: bring art and tech together
Carl: mobile apps
Carl: mobile apps
Amy: forgot mouse, still sitting here
Amy: forgot mouse, still sitting here
Kevin: exploring new languages
Kevin: exploring new languages
John: programmer, neurosurgeon
John: programmer, neurosurgeon
Douglas: circuit musician
Douglas: circuit musician
Lauren: read about us
Lauren: read about us
Sara: use darkroom, write, take photos, crafty
Sara: use darkroom, write, take photos, crafty
Tom: shocked by amount of ambient surveillance
Tom: shocked by amount of ambient surveillance
X: Hacks on hacker spaces, midway through week of paranoia
X: Hacks on hacker spaces, midway through week of paranoia
Darren:   
Darren:   


Short Announcements:
Short Announcements:
Lockers now $10 month
Lockers now $10 month
Norman resigning as noisebridge radio operator
Norman resigning as noisebridge radio operator
X: working to revive spacebridge meets 7:30 tuesdays
X: working to revive spacebridge meets 7:30 tuesdays
Blaire volunteers to take over as radio officer
Blaire volunteers to take over as radio officer
godwafflenoisepancakes = Pancakes and free vegan waffles sunday at noon
godwafflenoisepancakes = Pancakes and free vegan waffles sunday at noon
planning on brewing mate for godwafflenoisepancakes
planning on brewing mate for godwafflenoisepancakes
first mothly meeting for book fem for men : fem for everyone by bel hooks
first mothly meeting for book fem for men : fem for everyone by bel hooks


Discussion Items:
Discussion Items:
Cost of lockers
Cost of lockers
Agreements without consensus
Agreements without consensus
the bridge
the bridge
Membership Binder:
Membership Binder:


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douglas botten: last
douglas botten: last
ronald kutoni: 1st
ronald kutoni: 1st
Financial Report:
Financial Report:
33,214.19 $$ including noisetor
33,214.19 $$ including noisetor
~ 23,000 excluding noisetor
~ 23,000 excluding noisetor
 
6, 000/month outgoing


Consensus Items:
Consensus Items:
new:
new:
cost of lockers, defrayed by rent, something, something
cost of lockers, defrayed by rent, something, something
no sleeping at noisebridge
no sleeping at noisebridge
anti-harassment policy
anti-harassment policy
old:
old:
 
change to consensus agreement regarding access to noisebridge - 6
in order to validly pass cons process, items will be on website week before etc. - 6
rename members to council, associate members to members - 0
responsibility of everyone to contribute as they are able - 1
attach expiration of 80 days to associate membership - 1
abandon consensus, use majority associate members to full members - 9
meeting streamed in audio moved to 7pm – 11




  - meeting move to 7 – passes provided it is publicized
  - meeting move to 7 – passes provided it is publicized
prefer 8
prefer 8
get more things done if start at 7
get more things done if start at 7
gets up at 4 am
gets up at 4 am
pdp-11's are awesome
pdp-11's are awesome
7 pm is good 8pm is ok
7 pm is good 8pm is ok
7 pm slight preference
7 pm slight preference
publicize if we do
publicize if we do


- abandon consensus, etc.
- abandon consensus, etc.
continue/delay until they get back from CCC
continue/delay until they get back from CCC
will not consense this week
will not consense this week
just discuss
just discuss
go to disccussion for discussion
go to disccussion for discussion
problematic because of block, gets in the way of progress
problematic because of block, gets in the way of progress
simply majority has problem, blocking has a problem, compromise supermajority
simply majority has problem, blocking has a problem, compromise supermajority
balances like 51% supermajority
balances like 51% supermajority
anti-consensus – tyranny of majority, demographic shift have radical impact, gives power to those with politicking ability, dogmatism of majority
anti-consensus – tyranny of majority, demographic shift have radical impact, gives power to those with politicking ability, dogmatism of majority
 
consensus fails when you fool all of the people some of the time, you can't fool all the people all the time thank god for consensus, it has passed shitty things, majority alloows slightly smarter people to fool some of the people some of the time
consensus fails when you fool all of the people some of the time, you can't fool all the people all the time thank god for consensus, it has passed shitty things,  
the way that consensus is happening right now is not working, but there are other consensus models, like mostly consensus with the option for supermajority on contensious issues, bring someone in to talk about consensus
 
majority alloows slightly smarter people to fool some of the people some of the time
 
the way that consensus is happening right now is not working, but there are other consensus models, like mostly consensus with the option for supermajority on  
 
contensious issues, bring someone in to talk about consensus
 
consensus is great but there are problems wih any social construct exploits are possible especially wih a house full of hackers
consensus is great but there are problems wih any social construct exploits are possible especially wih a house full of hackers
express happiness that above was brought up, different process for different issues, don't spoil (kinda) winning tradition
express happiness that above was brought up, different process for different issues, don't spoil (kinda) winning tradition
items have lifetime where they die if they are not voted on within time period
items have lifetime where they die if they are not voted on within time period
emotionalism and theatrics will change if system of voting changes
emotionalism and theatrics will change if system of voting changes
don't believe that drama is inherent in consensus, hear how consensus has not been working specifically
don't believe that drama is inherent in consensus, hear how consensus has not been working specifically
people have been yelled at for things, their feelings were hurt, feel excluded
people have been yelled at for things, their feelings were hurt, feel excluded
different things/discussion emailed to Al
different things/discussion emailed to Al


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Discussion:  
Discussion:  
- the bridge
- the bridge
what is it? For what will it be used?
what is it? For what will it be used?
X explains:
X explains:
12 days ago 30c3 starts- logistical challenges with time differences, rearranged things to facilitate area delineated from the rest of noisebridge, work on elaborate projects/have nice things
12 days ago 30c3 starts- logistical challenges with time differences, rearranged things to facilitate area delineated from the rest of noisebridge, work on elaborate projects/have nice things
Q/A
Q/A
there's a bed, who will be sleeping there?
there's a bed, who will be sleeping there?
X has been sleeping there, if anyone were sleeping there they should: not sleep there more than 4 hours, 2 people on the bridge at all times, be fully aware and accept that it may or may not be available, there was tension
X has been sleeping there, if anyone were sleeping there they should: not sleep there more than 4 hours, 2 people on the bridge at all times, be fully aware and accept that it may or may not be available, there was tension
why refuse to mention bridge && sleep in especial on discusss  
why refuse to mention bridge && sleep in especial on discusss  
claims some convo's are on the wiki, he unsubscribed from discuss, purposefully didn't want to do this because he was(n't) a member
claims some convo's are on the wiki, he unsubscribed from discuss, purposefully didn't want to do this because he was(n't) a member
there is a clear reason: unfriendly rhetorical techniques, scoial matrix of toxicity
there is a clear reason: unfriendly rhetorical techniques, scoial matrix of toxicity
seems like this is a residency, against terms of lease/zoning, heirarchical model that is counter to the space, doesn't know where this is coming from, place didn't get cleaner when this happened
seems like this is a residency, against terms of lease/zoning, heirarchical model that is counter to the space, doesn't know where this is coming from, place didn't get cleaner when this happened
space bridge did get cleaner
space bridge did get cleaner
this is n the spirit of noisebridge, people take ownership because they stay there which helps people feel engaged
this is n the spirit of noisebridge, people take ownership because they stay there which helps people feel engaged
 
doesn't want to use discuss because he is creeped out by al
dan doesn't want to use discuss because he is creeped out by al
 
jc went against rules? For personal reasons, has been reticent to  break it down, he is attached
jc went against rules? For personal reasons, has been reticent to  break it down, he is attached
glad we're talking about it, two questions and comment: is the bridge open to public? If not, who determines to whom it's open?
glad we're talking about it, two questions and comment: is the bridge open to public? If not, who determines to whom it's open?
Attitudes toward sleep have changed, cleanliness issue, is this a know part of the space to be used by members guests, what?
Attitudes toward sleep have changed, cleanliness issue, is this a know part of the space to be used by members guests, what?
Resmebles residece/place people are not welcome, mixed up?
Resmebles residece/place people are not welcome, mixed up?
Never been lock or door, never told anyone they are not welcome/ cannot come in, cautions people that innapropriate for children things might be happening, nobody controls access, some people have made use of the pod/space/whatever, no one has directly asked him to disassemble
Never been lock or door, never told anyone they are not welcome/ cannot come in, cautions people that innapropriate for children things might be happening, nobody controls access, some people have made use of the pod/space/whatever, no one has directly asked him to disassemble
idea of sleeping there not liked, place set aside not good, people prefer if it were opened up
idea of sleeping there not liked, place set aside not good, people prefer if it were opened up
people spend a lot of time in part of space, develop sense of ownership, at the end of that process need to take a break
people spend a lot of time in part of space, develop sense of ownership, at the end of that process need to take a break
8 people out of 30 asked to have pod taken down
8 people out of 30 asked to have pod taken down
not consensus, just asking
not consensus, just asking
does anyone favor jc continuing the bridge
does anyone favor jc continuing the bridge
can the pod be turned into something more fluid/ moved
can the pod be turned into something more fluid/ moved
fine with it without sleep pod
fine with it without sleep pod
agrees that removal of sleep pod can be done
agrees that removal of sleep pod can be done
someone took my fishtank
someone took my fishtank


who the people are how many voted yay or nay?
who the people are how many voted yay or nay?
Different topc
Different topc


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