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== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] == ''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)'' [NOTE: SWITCH TO DRU BYRNE AS NOTETAKER.] Not a consensus proposal, discussion items. JC Speaking abstractly to adam: several conversations involveing adam, re: him creating conflict, giving him a chance to respond, shed clarity &&. -He cannot respond to vaugeness Jenn spoke about how adam publically chastised rob about an arduino that was left out. Did he trhreaten to rape someone? -No -Did he punch someone in the head? -He did, says rob. He was pretending to film Russ, After asking him to stop pointintg the camera at him, Russ went to look at the camera to see if there was actually film in it. Adam started piunching him in the throat, Russ saying "what are you doing, I'm not hitting you" Pidgeon: Adam said to Rob: "I'm going to rape you, spread your cheeks" Rob only remembers hearing the first part of that. Later: Rayc: it was said with a very aggressive, firm, tone, Rayc placed the joke/serious probability at 75/25, and brushed it off. Dan Shut down? Rayc, yes, shut down. Pidgeon feels more comfortable speaking out about this in the future due to the recently passed policy. Rob turned off a washing machine b/c he mistakenly thought it was leaking water, expereienced yelling from Adam about the issue. When Rayc was looking at a educational video, it came on the loudspeakers loud and they turned it down, this woke up Adam, Adam turned off the amp, then they turned it back on(it was on the projector) Should this be broken up? Adam says he was defending himself. He explained was testing turning the flash on and off. Rayc interrupts: this conversation happened after the hitting James: Hitting should not happen in noisebridge, did you hit him? Adam: yes, he had grabbed my hand onto the camera, cut his hand on the camera, I responded by hitting him. Kevin: several stories about Adam becoming violent in noisebridge, this is not appropriate James: not appropriate Pidgeon: He has too much power here; it is why I was afraid to say something; he's a lot bigger than me. Nick: Adam, you know I think you are awesome, but after hearing these, I'm relucatnat to say something, but I feel like I have to say this in fairness: If someone is taking pictures of you like this (aggresively mocks cameras), then they can ask you to stop. Hitting them was over the top, harrassment. To clarify, are there two instances? If there is much, much more. with two instances... the rayc threat was it out of the blue? Rayc, I don't know for sure. Drew: We can jury-rig the resolution to this to match our harrasment policy Rayc: He ignored stretches of time in which people asked him to leave and he didn't James: this seems inappropriate, a danger to the space, it is violence, which alone is a huge huge problem; it certainly makes me feel unsafe. James, this was when you were docent-ing the space? Adam: no, earlier than that. James, lack of remorse, pattern of conversation is itself worrying Dan: credible threat? How are you sensitive about this? Holy shit, are you really that stupid? I know that is rude, but please explain yourself. Adam, I'd like to know what motivations people thought I had Andrew: it was about property rights, he did explain that he was testing the flash before Ross grabbed the camera, I didn't see the hand grab, but if I was to be asked what the motivation was, based on what he said afterwards, it was security of property. Rayc: This is what I rememeber, that you said it was about property, not bodily harm; please go and don't come back Kevin: clearly people think you should leave. If you want a forum to discuss that more, the tuesday meeting is the appropriate forum. There are clear documentation of physical violence, though there is not a proposal to ban you to be consensed on this week, I'd suggest you leave and not come back in the interim. Dan: this is serious Adam leaves, understanding he is not to come back until Tuesday's meeting. ---- Russel Drew: lots of people trusted him, lots... but then after he left with "his equipment", we noticed a lot was missing. Many, many stories came out about stuff missing around him, him having the items later. He is probably not coming back, what do we do? Nick: Zack's phone was next to Russel's rig, went missing (and vaughn saw him flashing it later), also other things that went missing. Rayc: stop people from having computers as "their own" in noisebridge, other policies, maybe also testing for hacking or membership sponsorship -This may not be sufficient, since a presence at night hasn't stopped this. -Been coming here for years, used to be a much more positive experience -Having been homeless, seeing people from that community in the space is not something to judge, but con-artists do live among them
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