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These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 274th Meeting of Noisebridge].
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 274th Meeting of Noisebridge].


== Introduction ==
* Noisebridge meeting 2013-07-15 20:43 #274
Leif moderates Noisebridge meeting #274 ; 2013-07-16 20:43. Henner takes notes.
* INTRODUCTION
 
* Leif moderates.
Leif welcomes to the meeting. Cacey describes what Noisebridge is all about. Concensus process: Henner describes what he understood, explaining a voting process. Leif refines: no explicit vote only veto (thus more anonymous).
* Henner takes notes.
 
* Leif gives introduction.
== People ==
* Cacey describes what Noisebridge is all about.
; Leif : Interested in privacy enahcing technologies.
* Concensus process: Henner describes what he understood, explaining a voting process. Leif refines: no explicit vote only veto (thus more anonymous).
; Cynthia : Kitchen person, interested in having access to unrestricted information.
* NAMES
; Art : Mendocino, spends time in Berkeley. Electronics background. Here with daughter Molly. Had been to Maker Faire quite a bit.
* Leif: Privacy enahcing technologies
; Carl: himself.
* Cynthia: Kitchen person, interested in having access to unrestricted
; Dan: around NB 6 months. {...} Pizzaland.
* Art: Mendecino, spends time in Bekeley. Electronics background. Here with daughter Molly. Had been to a Maker faire quite a bit.
; Dana: Just had class about LEDs.
* Carol: himself.
; Vi : interested in sustainable communities. environmentally as well as economically. Likes to tidy up.
* Dan: around NB 6 months. {...} Pizzaland.
; Cacey: interested in LED strips.
* Joy:
; James: interested in different projects at NB. LED meetup. different groups.
* Dana: Just had class about LEDs.
; Johny Radio: Hacks. Learns. Teach hacking.
* Vi : interested in sustainable communities. environmentlially, economically. Likes to tidy up.
; Niclas: LEDs, game design, JavaScript, Writing.
* Cacey: interested in LED strips.
; ?: interested in ?? technology. the web. buoys.
* James: interested in different projects at NB. LED meetup. different groups.
; Andrea:
* Johny Radio: Hacks. Learns. Teach hacking.
; Jacob: interested in science, math, photography, printing. Spending summer here, from UCLA
* Niclas: LEDs, game design, JavaScript, Writing.
; Tom: {}
* ?: interested in ?? technology. the web. bouys at
; Joy : lighting, learning, finding job
* Andrea:
; Henner: software development at day, hardware hacking at night.
* Jacob: interested in science, math, photography, printing. Spending summer here, from UCLA
 
* Tom:
== Short Announcements ==
* Joy : lighting, learning, finding job
* Dana and Jake made progress RFID reader on the door.
* SHORT ANNOUNCEMENTS
* Vi Friday, 6p to 9p. Potluck at Sudo Room. Topic Cooperative economics. 2141 Broadway, Oakland.
* Dana: Jake and her made progress RFID reader on the door.
* James: August 10: Noisebridge party. 8 bands, 2 stand-up comedians. 4pm to "late". Learn some fencing. Demonstrate your cool project.
* Vi Friday, 6 to 9. Sudo room Cooperative economics. Potluck. 2141 Broadway, Oakland
* James: Freespace 7th/Mission, open till 10pm. Worth checking out.
* James: August 10: noisebridge party. 8 bands, 2 standup comedians. 4pm to "late". Learn some fencing. Demonstrate your cool project.
* James: Freespace 7th/Mission: you should check it out. Open till 10pm. Worth checking out.
* Henner: replaced electric strike plate.
* Henner: replaced electric strike plate.
 
* NEW or STALE EVENTS
== New or stale events ==
* none.
none.
* MEMBERSHIP BINDER
 
* Tom explains membership process.
 
== Membership binder ==
Tom explains membership process.
 
* No new membership forms.
* No new membership forms.
* Anyone believes to be up for membership ?
* Anyone believes to be up for membership ?
* None.
* None.
 
* FINANCIAL REPORT
 
* Treasurer - not there.
== Financial report ==
* Leif: Last time there was money in the bank and probably still today :)
Treasurer - not there. Leif: Last time there was money in the bank and probably still today :)
* CONSENSUS ITEMS
 
* Several items.
 
* 1) Michael "Occupirate" Clift is not welcome at NB. No Veto.
== Consensus items ==
* Cynthia: (not member) says that he seems to have an alcohol problem that he needs to leave behind. Leif says that it is less that, but more his behavior.
 
* Leif concludes: consensus on this.
==== Michael "Occupirate" Clift is not welcome at NB. ====
* 2) From Monad: only service animals are allowed at Noisebridge.
No Veto.
 
Cynthia: (not member) he seems to have an alcohol problem that he needs to leave behind. Leif emphasizes that it is less that, but more his behavior.
 
''Leif concludes: consensus on this.''
 
==== Only service animals are allowed at Noisebridge (Monad) ====
* Tom: Suggest to amend how the service animalness can be determined. There is not special tag that is easy to be determined.
* Tom: Suggest to amend how the service animalness can be determined. There is not special tag that is easy to be determined.
* Dan?: Looked at DMV guidelines (cut and pasted it into wiki)
* DAN?: Looked at DMV guidelines (cut and pasted it into wiki)
* Someone: is not really a problem.
* Someone: is not really a problem.
* James: it has been a problem: animals have been behaving badly.
* James: it has been a problem: animals have been behaving badly.
* Dana: People are allergic to dogs.
* Dana: People are allergic to dogs.
* Jacob: Animals might not know if things are dangerous.
* Jacob: Animals might not know if things are dangerous
* James: doesn't see why there is a reason to have animals in the space.
* James: doesn't see why there is a reason to have animals in the space.
 
* Leif asks for final comments.
Leif asks for final comments.
* Cynthia: people come late at night and might find safer walking through the Mission. As long as they wear a muzzle.
 
* Cynthia: people come late at night and might find safer walking through the Mission. As long as they wear a muzzle in the space.
* Casey: suggests a temporary solution, like 3 months.
* Casey: suggests a temporary solution, like 3 months.
* Leif: Thinks that the vast majority of dogs behaved well. There is one dog that was misbehaving recently and asked to leave, but returned. So he feels like that this is mostly about ''that'' dog. Independent of some people being allergic.
* Leif: Thinks that the vast majority of dogs behaved well. There is one dog that was misbehaving recently and asked to leave, but returned. So he feels like that this is mostly about that dog. Independent of some people being allergic.
* Joy: people coming in to the space to eat and cooking. Is this for homeless people ? Found the dogs come with these homeless people. Concerned with people not stealing; keep an eye on shady people.
* Joy: people coming in to the space to eat and cooking. Is this for homeless people ? Found the dogs come with these homeless people. Concerned with people not stealing; keep an eye on shady people.
* Cynthia: felt bad because she wanted to pet a dog that then barked. She assumed that he was asked to leave because of the bark. Leif said that this was because this dog was fighting with other dogs and he was s**ting in the space.
* Cinthya: felt bad because she wanted to pet a dog that then barked. She assumed that he was asked to leave because of the bark. Leif said that this was because this dog was fighting with other dogs and he was s**ting in the space.
* (?): Dog owner of Chase. He has service tags for his dog. But he can see that this could be a problem.
* ?: Dog owner of Chase. He has service tags for his dog. He can see that this is a problem.
* Leif asked what his dog was trained to do. (?) explains that he can answer "no" to the question.
* Leif asked what he was trained to do. ? explains that he can answer "no" to the question.
* Niclas: describes difference between service animal vs. companion animal. SF could see that as as a prescribed thing, but Casey explains that there is still a difference.
* Niclas: describes difference between service animal vs. companion animal. SF could see that as as a prescribed thing, but Casey explains that there is still a difference.
* [[http://www.ada.gov/ ADA]] page says that animals are trained to do a specific task and this can be asked.
* ADA page says that the task animals perform is a question.
 
* Leif asks for consensus item.
Leif asks for consensus item.
 
* Tom: asks to remove Tag requirement.
* Tom: asks to remove Tag requirement.
* Leif personally thinks that we shouldn't do this, but he is not currently a member in good standing to block.
* Leif personally thinks that we shouldn't do this, but he is not currently a member in good standing to block.
* Someone: good example dog "Stewy" with owner who tought Ruby class.
* Someone: good example dog "Stewy" with owner who teached Ruby class.
* Leif: There are two side: Some people don't come because there are dogs. Others might not come because they cant bring their dog. Conversation is about well-behaved, non-service dog
* Leif: Some people don't come because there are dogs. Others might not come because they cant bring their dog. Conversation is about well-behaved, non-service dog
* Tom: distinction between well/poor behaved is fuzzy. People that are not comfortable with dogs might see normal behavior as threatening.
* Tom: distinction between well/poor behaved is fuzzy. People that are not comfortable with dogs might see normal behavior as threatening.
* Cynthia: Dogs should be muzzled.
* Casey: lets just make it to ask
* Tom: Does not cover edge cases. Cynthia: people are typically afraid of dog bites.
* Cinthya: Dogs should be muzzled.
* {The dog owner of Chase}: if a person is afraid of a dog, then there is not much you can do. Chase is well behaved, listens, but if there is a dog that causes a problem ... muzzle is a good idea.
* Tom: Does not cover edge cases. Cinthya: people are afraid of dog bites.
* Dana: could the policy be that a dog is explicitly included rather than to be excluded, e.g. introduce dog at meeting.
* the dog owner: if a person is afraid of a dog, then there is not much you can do. Chase is well behaved, listens, but if there is a dog that causes a problem ... muzzle idea is a good idea.
* Tom: {...}
* Dana: could the policy be it is incluced rather than to be excluded. INtroduce dog at meeting.
* Leif: suggests a different consensus item: if someone is uncomfortable with a dog, then they can ask that dog to leave.
* Tom: someone should be able..{}
* Niclas: original proposal but with trial period. Could be abused to ban random dogs.
* Leif: suggests a different consensus item: if someone is uncomforable with a dog, then they can ask that dog to leave.
* Leif: The consent should be designed to be human centric. So asking a dog to leave is not _ab_use.
* Niclas: original proposal but with trial period. Could be abused.
* Tom suggests: 2.5 months until Oct 1st.
* Leif: designed to be human centric. So asking a dog to leave is not _ab_use.
 
* Tom suggests: 2.5 months until oct 1st.
Consensus:
* "From now until October 1, if any person at Noisebridge requests that any non-service animal leave Noisebridge, the human responsible for that animal should remove it from the space immediately."
'''"From now until October 1, if any person at Noisebridge requests that any non-service animal leave Noisebridge, the human responsible for that animal should remove it from the space immediately."'''
* Consensus see above. No one disagrees.
 
* 3) Item by James: {not this week}
Consensus of the above. No one disagrees.
* 4) The guy with the cheesecake incident(Mark) shall be banned.
 
==== Item by James: {not this week} ====
==== The guy with the cheesecake incident(Mark) shall be banned. ====
* Leif met him, asked to come for the meeting.
* Leif met him, asked to come for the meeting.
* ? describes how Mark slept in bunk bed. Thinks as well should not come back.
* ? describes how Mark slept in bunk bed. Thinks as well should not come back.
 
* Consensus: Mark ${cheesecake incident} O' Neil is not welcome at the space [standard wording]
Consensus
* No one disagrees.
'''"Mark ${cheesecake incident} O' Neil is not welcome at the space [standard wording]"'''
* 5) Cynthia: NB shall disallow the use of poison but rather use food grade {some term} earth for 4 months and see.
 
No one disagrees.
 
==== Cynthia: NB shall disallow the use of poison but rather use food grade diatomaceous earth for 4 months and see ====
* Tom: disagrees.
* Tom: disagrees.
* Cynthia asks Tom if he is ok with the use of Raid. Yes he is.
* Cynthia asks Tom if he is ok with the use of RAID. He says yes.
* Johnny: asks if this was raised before. Tom says he disagrees on the topic, Casey says it is not appropriate.
* Jonny: asks if this was raised before. Tom sais disagrees, Casey says it is not appropriate.
* Tom: Casey and Tom are close in their opinion, but they use different words.
* Tom: Casey and Tom are close in their opinion.
* Cynthia: didn't actually propose that, but Jim {member} proposed it (Stockwell?)
* Cynthia: didn't actually propose that, but Jim {member} proposed it (stockwell?)
* Tom: thinks it is different from consensus.
* Tom: thinks it is different from consensus
* Cynthia: 20% of population have deficiencies in some enzyme ...; Describes problems with historical problems with Sarin, Deed. Stories about personal journey with changing IQ. Enzyme might have a racial component.
* Cynthia: 20% of popluation have deficiencies in some enzyme ...; Describs problems with historical problems with sarin, deed. Stories about personal journey with changing IQ. Enzyme might have a racial component.
* Tom: even though we don't need consensus about this, but should be an open discussion.
* Tom: even though we don't need consensus about this, but should be an open discussion.
* Leif asks for more opinions
* Leif asks for more opinions
* Johnny: would be consistent with Hackerspace to encourage the use of non-poisonous stuff. He doesn't think that it needs to be consensed on.
* Johnny: would be consistent with HackerSpace to encourage the use of non-poisenous stuff. He doesnt think that it needs to be consensed on.
* Vi: opposed a couple of weeks back to spray the kitchen. Suggests to clean dishes, don't leave food out instead. And if 'poison', then the food grade earth stuff.
* Vi: opposed a couple of weeks back to spray the kitche. Suggests to clean dishes, don't leave food out instead. And if 'poison', then the food grade earth stuff.
* Joy: knows that it creates neurological deficits. In favor of using natural things.
* Joy: knows that it creates neurolagical deficits. In favor of using natural things.
* Dana: suggests that people interested in this should work out a proper solution, but this is not really consensus item.
* Dana: suggests that people intersted in this should work out a proper solution, but not really consensus item.
* Summarize:
* Summarize:
* We should not use Raid in the kitchen, but there is not consensus to exclude poisons.
* we should not use RAID in the kitchen, but there is not consensus to exclude poisons.
* Cynthia: if someone uses Raid, who cleans up the mess. Leif: this cannot be solved in the consensus process.
* Cynthia: if someone uses RAID, who cleans up the mess. Leif: this cannot be solved in the consensus process.
* Leif: done with discussion item.
* Leif: done with discussion item.
* Johnny: he agrees with the proposal to not use poisonous pests. But we won't be able to consent.
* Johnny: he agrees with the proposal to not use poisonous pests. But we won't be able to consent.
* Suggests to bring it up at the rebase meeting as the main problem is the (lack of) cleaning.
* Suggests to bring it up at the rebase meeting as the main problem is the cleaning.
* Leif: People use different tools.
* Leif: Some people use RAID, people use different tools
 
* 4) By Monad.
==== Proposal by Monad ====
* Vague proposal; asked for clarification. Nothing happened so far.
Vague proposal; asked for clarification. Nothing happened so far.
* NEXT WEEK ITEMS
 
* none.
== Next week items ==
* DISCUSSION ITEMS.
None.
* none.
 
* Meeting is over. 22:02
== Discussion items ==
None.
 
== Finis ==
Meeting is over. 22:02


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