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==== Only service animals are allowed at Noisebridge (Monad) ==== * Tom: Suggest to amend how the service animalness can be determined. There is not special tag that is easy to be determined. * Dan?: Looked at DMV guidelines (cut and pasted it into wiki) * Someone: is not really a problem. * James: it has been a problem: animals have been behaving badly. * Dana: People are allergic to dogs. * Jacob: Animals might not know if things are dangerous. * James: doesn't see why there is a reason to have animals in the space. Leif asks for final comments. * Cynthia: people come late at night and might find safer walking through the Mission. As long as they wear a muzzle in the space. * Casey: suggests a temporary solution, like 3 months. * Leif: Thinks that the vast majority of dogs behaved well. There is one dog that was misbehaving recently and asked to leave, but returned. So he feels like that this is mostly about ''that'' dog. Independent of some people being allergic. * Joy: people coming in to the space to eat and cooking. Is this for homeless people ? Found the dogs come with these homeless people. Concerned with people not stealing; keep an eye on shady people. * Cynthia: felt bad because she wanted to pet a dog that then barked. She assumed that he was asked to leave because of the bark. Leif said that this was because this dog was fighting with other dogs and he was s**ting in the space. * (?): Dog owner of Chase. He has service tags for his dog. But he can see that this could be a problem. * Leif asked what his dog was trained to do. (?) explains that he can answer "no" to the question. * Niclas: describes difference between service animal vs. companion animal. SF could see that as as a prescribed thing, but Casey explains that there is still a difference. * [[http://www.ada.gov/ ADA]] page says that animals are trained to do a specific task and this can be asked. Leif asks for consensus item. * Tom: asks to remove Tag requirement. * Leif personally thinks that we shouldn't do this, but he is not currently a member in good standing to block. * Someone: good example dog "Stewy" with owner who tought Ruby class. * Leif: There are two side: Some people don't come because there are dogs. Others might not come because they cant bring their dog. Conversation is about well-behaved, non-service dog * Tom: distinction between well/poor behaved is fuzzy. People that are not comfortable with dogs might see normal behavior as threatening. * Cynthia: Dogs should be muzzled. * Tom: Does not cover edge cases. Cynthia: people are typically afraid of dog bites. * {The dog owner of Chase}: if a person is afraid of a dog, then there is not much you can do. Chase is well behaved, listens, but if there is a dog that causes a problem ... muzzle is a good idea. * Dana: could the policy be that a dog is explicitly included rather than to be excluded, e.g. introduce dog at meeting. * Tom: {...} * Leif: suggests a different consensus item: if someone is uncomfortable with a dog, then they can ask that dog to leave. * Niclas: original proposal but with trial period. Could be abused to ban random dogs. * Leif: The consent should be designed to be human centric. So asking a dog to leave is not _ab_use. * Tom suggests: 2.5 months until Oct 1st. Consensus: '''"From now until October 1, if any person at Noisebridge requests that any non-service animal leave Noisebridge, the human responsible for that animal should remove it from the space immediately."''' Consensus of the above. No one disagrees.
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