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* Tom
* Tom
* [[user:Reverend Mik|Reverend Mik]]
* Reverend Myk
 
* Zak
* Zak
* Nick
* Nick
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=== Proposals for next week ===
=== Proposals for next week ===


* Mik has concerns with RAYC's behavior in the space, and would like to ask him to be somewhere else for a while.
* Myk has concerns with RAYC's behavior in the space, and would like to ask him to be somewhere else for a while.
** On several occasions, RAYC has told people that if they are not here to hack, they have no business being here. He has done so to Mik several times (including once while Mik was working), and once (while Myk was watching) to someone else who comes here for political activism. Mik finds RAYC's belief that he can decide who can and cannot be here disturbing. Mik notes that other incidents were covered during mediation with Danny last week.
** On several occasions, RAYC has told people that if they are not here to hack, they have no business being here. He has done so to Myk several times (including once while Myk was working), and once (while Myk was watching) to someone else who comes here for political activism. Myk finds RAYC's belief that he can decide who can and cannot be here disturbing. Myk notes that other incidents were covered during mediation with Danny last week.
** RAYC claims that Mik is deceptive about RAYC's behavior, and would like to continue mediation with Danny. RAYC revealed that Danny agreed that Mik is a compulsive lair and attacking RAYC's character. (Just for the record, I didn't say that in the mediation. Love, dob) RAYC maintains that he was polite and reasonable when he was inviting people to be here to hack. RAYC maintains that Noisebridge is a hackerspace, and for hacking.
** RAYC claims that Myk is deceptive about RAYC's behavior, and would like to continue mediation with Danny. RAYC maintains that he was polite and reasonable when he was inviting people to be here to hack. RAYC maintains that Noisebridge is a hackerspace, and for hacking.
** The consensus of the room is that this sounds like a lovely topic for continued mediation with Danny.
** The consensus of the room is that this sounds like a lovely topic for continued mediation with Danny.
** Mik does not agree to retract his proposal. Tom intends to block it.
** Myk does not agree to retract his proposal. Tom intends to block it.


* Zak proposes a ban on the illegal use of drugs in Noisebridge. RAYC supports this proposal.
* Zak proposes a ban on the illegal use of drugs in Noisebridge. RAYC supports this proposal.
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** Weev wants to know if Zak would have the same concerns with similar legal items (EX: Xenon rather than Nitrous Oxide). Zak replies that these substances were not being used for medical purposes, and that if this is the kind of thing happening here, he doesn't want to be here.
** Weev wants to know if Zak would have the same concerns with similar legal items (EX: Xenon rather than Nitrous Oxide). Zak replies that these substances were not being used for medical purposes, and that if this is the kind of thing happening here, he doesn't want to be here.
** Drew asserts medical competence, and states that Nitrous Oxide is not hazardous to human health.
** Drew asserts medical competence, and states that Nitrous Oxide is not hazardous to human health.
** Mik cautions that this proposal does not relate to health hazards, but the behavior that derives from that.
** Myk cautions that this proposal does not relate to health hazards, but the behavior that derives from that.
** John points out that people should be responsible for their actions, whether as a result of chemicals or not. We should not penalise the substances, only bad behavior.
** John points out that people should be responsible for their actions, whether as a result of chemicals or not. We should not penalise the substances, only bad behavior.
** Weev recalls that Sunday's event did not involve antisocial behavior. Where will we draw the line; what if you are offended my my politics, or my body modifications, or my sexuality. We should not prohibit things that are not anti-social.
** Weev recalls that Sunday's event did not involve antisocial behavior. Where will we draw the line; what if you are offended my my politics, or my body modifications, or my sexuality. We should not prohibit things that are not anti-social.
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