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[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 206th Meeting of Noisebridge]
 
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 206th Meeting of Noisebridge]
  
Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE
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Note-taker: Casey
  
Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE
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Moderator: HI MY NAME IS <blink>TOM</blink>
 
   
 
   
 
== Introduction and Names ==
 
== Introduction and Names ==
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** what do you do, and
 
** what do you do, and
 
** if you are new: how did you hear about Noisebridge?
 
** if you are new: how did you hear about Noisebridge?
 +
 +
* Kelly
 +
* Alan R.
 +
* Snail
 +
* SuperQ does hacking
 +
* Corey plays with legos. Legos are great. You have a problem?
 +
* Alyah
 +
* Duncan
 +
* Dana brews things
 +
* Christopher is in spacebridge
 +
* Daniel pwns rails
 +
* Alisa
 +
* Jumana
 +
* MCT
 +
* Michelle
 +
* Casey
 +
* Mike is a technowanderer
 +
* ???
 +
* Andrew
 +
* Lauren is a journalize
 +
* Tom
 +
* Carl
 +
* Cynthia
 +
* Aiden
 +
* Branden
 +
* Tom
 +
  
 
== Short Announcements ==
 
== Short Announcements ==
  
* Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!
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* Those who would like to talk about the idea of a mural should hit up Corey after the meeting
* Any happenings at the space of which members should be made aware.
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* Andy is bringing hard-copies of information about NoiseTor should the FBI try to become members again.
  
 
== New or Stale Events ==
 
== New or Stale Events ==
  
* Is there anything new happening at the space?
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* [[PsychedelicSF/2012-03-04|Ayahuasca Symposium: Lecture & Book Release]]
* Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?
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* Vegan hacker is back! Every last Tuesday! IT SMELLED DELICIOUS
* If this is the first meeting of the month, review all the [[Category:Events | events at the space]] and try to weed out stale events.
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== [[Membership Binder]] ==
 
== [[Membership Binder]] ==
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* The rest of the meeting should reach consensus on whether they may join.
 
* The rest of the meeting should reach consensus on whether they may join.
 
* Remember to applaud new members when they return.
 
* Remember to applaud new members when they return.
 +
 +
* Daniel Jabbour loves Noisebridge
 +
* Casey
 +
  
 
== Financial Report ==
 
== Financial Report ==
* Funds in bank:
+
* Funds in bank: $ 18659.13. Less noisetor, this is about $15000, which is our prudent reserve limit.
* Noisetor (http://noisetor.net/finances/):
+
* This is kind of low. It takes $160/day to keep Noisebridge open. We rely on your donations
 +
* Become an associate member!
 +
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
 +
** There are $3323.36 earmarked NoiseTor funds
 +
** Colo service has been paid through Mar 7, 2012
 +
** There are enough funds to pay for an additional 4 months of colo
  
 
== Consensus items ==
 
== Consensus items ==
You may wish to '''invite a knowledgeable volunteer to repeat '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on the consensus process]].
 
  
 
=== Proposals from last week ===
 
=== Proposals from last week ===
  
''(Add any items which pass or are blocked to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''
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* None
  
 
=== Proposals for next week ===
 
=== Proposals for next week ===
  
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''
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* None!
  
 
== Discussion Items ==
 
== Discussion Items ==
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During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exact what each person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or controversy here. Detailed descriptions of the conversation should go on the discuss page for this meeting.
 
During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exact what each person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or controversy here. Detailed descriptions of the conversation should go on the discuss page for this meeting.
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* Hosting [http://www.kinkforall.org KinkForAll] (un-conference about relationships) at Noisebridge on Sat. June 30th. (Alisa)
 +
** Approximately 20 minute talks centered on sexuality, sexual health, and human interactions
 +
** Intentionally no demos so as to be all ages
 +
** Boring logistics: intends to use both classrooms, 9am-5pm, with about 40 attendees
 +
** An attempt to bridge the hacker and alt-sex communities, thus the desire to host at NB.
 +
** MCT is sponsoring
 +
**[later] The date has since been changed to June 16th to avoid conflicts with SF Pride related events.
 +
 +
* Kitchen
 +
** Can we disallow storing all personal food from the kitchen?
 +
*** Pros:
 +
**** Discourage habitation
 +
**** Discourage GROSS NASTY ROTTEN FOOD (empirically, this happens)
 +
*** Cons:
 +
**** People do legitimately store personal food in the kitchen
 +
 +
** Discussion:
 +
*** ????:  Consensus or not, this should be formally decided
 +
*** Tom
 +
**** People have been keeping food here since the space first existed.
 +
**** Documenting fridge policy is important for people who depend on Noisebridge for their ability to avoid hunger
 +
**** Once people start taking food, one won't be able to  feel safe about preparing food for yourself and others
 +
*** Cynthia
 +
**** Can we expand the scope to all food storage places? Murmurs: yes
 +
*** Leif
 +
**** This is a place where we shouldn't have explicit rules since rules lead to arbitrary enforcement, and arbitrary enforcement leads to confusion
 +
**** We don't have enough space at NB for permanent personal food storage for everyone
 +
**** This has worked informally well for a while
 +
**** People should expect the loss of their food if they keep it at noisebridge
 +
*** SuperQ
 +
**** The consensus process of noisebridge is for the membership
 +
**** Leif++. Everything at noisebridge outside of the member shelves is up for hacking, but don't be a dick.
 +
**** Don't take food that's obviously for cooking for the day
 +
*** Kelly
 +
**** I'd like to mention that I'm really ticked off by the idea the people feel entitled to keep food here more than a few hours before a specific cooking project
 +
**** Just because we don't choose to consense on a specific standard of behavior on the space doesn't mean we don't have an expected standard of excellence
 +
**** If you are keeping food in the fridge for a project and it is eaten, that is un excellent and deserving of mediation
 +
**** It is not excellent to keep personal supplies at noisebridge
 +
**** Tom: Do you think it's okay to take
 +
*** Question: What is food in the fridge? Answer: everything!
 +
*** Rayc:
 +
**** When I started coming to NB, the fridge was full of declicious tastebridge Kombucha
 +
**** It sucks that we don't have that
 +
**** I think the fair game policy is correct, especially given the large amount of grocery stores
 +
*** Jumana
 +
**** Maybe it would be good to have people write their name and date
 +
**** Communication is good!
 +
**** Kelly: If you have labelled something for a specific purpose, you are excellence
 +
*** Duncan:
 +
**** I agree with Leif & Kelly:  Label and don't be a dick.  I've kept labelled "No Shr Pls" eggs & milk here to hack chocolate chip cookies. 
 +
**** Discovering no eggs at 10pm after buying a dozen @noon is frustrating.  The kitchen is here for hacking food & sharing results, NOT to feed the world.
 +
**** Not respecting "no share/pls ask first" & hogging limited is most unexcellent.  Some areas, like the counter, are community.
 +
**** Food is expensive for many, scarce for all when stores are closed.  This idea of "open sourcing" to everybody the perishable
 +
**** inputs for kitchen hacking feels like a poorly thought-through social engineering to an unstated bigger issue. 
 +
**** Do we REALLY want NB to become known as that "place in the Mission to get free food to cook and eat"?
 +
**** Food is a basic necessity and for many at all incomes, a very personal emotional thing. What's the REAL issue here?
 +
**** Bags on the day-shelf are left unhacked, why should marked food be different?
 +
*** Tom: I don't think NB is a place for medium-term food storage
 +
*** Snail
 +
**** We can't guarantee safety of the day-shelves; we don't like people keeping their goods there for extended periods of time.
 +
*** Kelly: While it is possible to use NB excellently for your day to day necessities, NB is not for support
 +
*** Tom
 +
**** Food in the fridge for an hour has been yoinked
 +
**** That is unexcellent, and has lead to conflict
 +
*** Kelly:
 +
**** There has never been a policy on the fridge one way or the other
 +
**** The signs previously existing were do-ocratic and can be changed
 +
*** There are murmurs that the purviews of Excellence can keep this under control
 +
*** Q: What happens when Tastebridge wants to make more Kombucha
 +
**** A: Kombucha is awesome
 +
*** Kelly:
 +
**** We may have at one time consensed on the idea that everything at NB is up for hacking except for the membership shelves.
 +
**** Does anyone remember?
 +
**** MCT: Agreed, and it is the informal consensus of NB that that is the case
 +
 +
 +
 +
 +
** Kitchen electrical use
 +
*** SuperQ wants to un-open the kitchen.
 +
*** In order to do some experiments, the electrical hookup to the kitchen will be disabled
 +
*** This is mostly the Stove, Oven, and Dishwasher, but NOT the fridges and hot water
 +
*** We have no direct ability to measure the kitchen's energy uses
 +
*** We can compare the no-kitchen week with the previous week(s) to find out
 +
*** Interested people should check the Electricity Wiki
 +
*** Kelly: Poke tastebridge@
 +
*** SuperQ: I will conclude this before tastebridge next meets
  
 
== End of Meeting ==
 
== End of Meeting ==

Latest revision as of 10:51, 5 March 2012

Contents

[edit] Instructions

  • Pick a moderator and a note-taker.
  • Optionally: pick a membership-binder-wrangler; otherwise the moderator can take care of it.

[edit] Note-taker

  • Open a text editor to take notes on the major points of the meeting, using this page at the template.
  • Project the draft meeting notes and agenda in real time throughout the meeting.
  • Edit the Current Consensus Items if anything is proposed for consensus next week.
  • Edit the Consensus Items History if anything was reached consensus or failed to reach consensus this week.
  • Post the meeting notes to this page, and email out a summary with a link.
  • Tell treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members.

[edit] Moderator

  • Understand the structure of Noisebridge decision-making
  • Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak.
  • Speak only minimally yourself.
  • Keep the meeting moving, and avoid getting bogged down.
  • Identify discussion items, arrange times limits for talking about each item.
  • Identify and summarize consensus, suggest things that need to be done.
  • Get the membership binder and ensure that it is returned safely.

[edit] Participants

  • Say your name before you talk.
  • Remain on-topic, and speak as concisely as possible.
  • Assist the note-taker with any links or corrections that are needed.
  • Remain respectful of other participants, their time, and the consensus and moderation process.

[edit] Agenda

The 206th Meeting of Noisebridge

Note-taker: Casey

Moderator: HI MY NAME IS <blink>TOM</blink>

[edit] Introduction and Names

  • Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to explain what Noisebridge is about: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
  • Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to give a brief primer on consensus process: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.
  • Introduce any new or unusual moderation techniques that you may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
  • Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
    • What's your name,
    • are you a member,
    • what do you do, and
    • if you are new: how did you hear about Noisebridge?
  • Kelly
  • Alan R.
  • Snail
  • SuperQ does hacking
  • Corey plays with legos. Legos are great. You have a problem?
  • Alyah
  • Duncan
  • Dana brews things
  • Christopher is in spacebridge
  • Daniel pwns rails
  • Alisa
  • Jumana
  • MCT
  • Michelle
  • Casey
  • Mike is a technowanderer
  •  ???
  • Andrew
  • Lauren is a journalize
  • Tom
  • Carl
  • Cynthia
  • Aiden
  • Branden
  • Tom


[edit] Short Announcements

  • Those who would like to talk about the idea of a mural should hit up Corey after the meeting
  • Andy is bringing hard-copies of information about NoiseTor should the FBI try to become members again.

[edit] New or Stale Events

[edit] Membership Binder

  • Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to describe the membership application process.
  • Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.
  • Anyone eligible to join this week should
    • introduce themselves,
    • answer any questions members may have for them, then
    • leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime, or cookies) for the rest of the group.
  • The rest of the meeting should reach consensus on whether they may join.
  • Remember to applaud new members when they return.
  • Daniel Jabbour loves Noisebridge
  • Casey


[edit] Financial Report

  • Funds in bank: $ 18659.13. Less noisetor, this is about $15000, which is our prudent reserve limit.
  • This is kind of low. It takes $160/day to keep Noisebridge open. We rely on your donations
  • Become an associate member!
  • Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
    • There are $3323.36 earmarked NoiseTor funds
    • Colo service has been paid through Mar 7, 2012
    • There are enough funds to pay for an additional 4 months of colo

[edit] Consensus items

[edit] Proposals from last week

  • None

[edit] Proposals for next week

  • None!

[edit] Discussion Items

If an item of discussion drags on too long, further discussion may be postponed until after the meeting ends.

During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exact what each person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or controversy here. Detailed descriptions of the conversation should go on the discuss page for this meeting.

  • Hosting KinkForAll (un-conference about relationships) at Noisebridge on Sat. June 30th. (Alisa)
    • Approximately 20 minute talks centered on sexuality, sexual health, and human interactions
    • Intentionally no demos so as to be all ages
    • Boring logistics: intends to use both classrooms, 9am-5pm, with about 40 attendees
    • An attempt to bridge the hacker and alt-sex communities, thus the desire to host at NB.
    • MCT is sponsoring
    • [later] The date has since been changed to June 16th to avoid conflicts with SF Pride related events.
  • Kitchen
    • Can we disallow storing all personal food from the kitchen?
      • Pros:
        • Discourage habitation
        • Discourage GROSS NASTY ROTTEN FOOD (empirically, this happens)
      • Cons:
        • People do legitimately store personal food in the kitchen
    • Discussion:
      •  ????: Consensus or not, this should be formally decided
      • Tom
        • People have been keeping food here since the space first existed.
        • Documenting fridge policy is important for people who depend on Noisebridge for their ability to avoid hunger
        • Once people start taking food, one won't be able to feel safe about preparing food for yourself and others
      • Cynthia
        • Can we expand the scope to all food storage places? Murmurs: yes
      • Leif
        • This is a place where we shouldn't have explicit rules since rules lead to arbitrary enforcement, and arbitrary enforcement leads to confusion
        • We don't have enough space at NB for permanent personal food storage for everyone
        • This has worked informally well for a while
        • People should expect the loss of their food if they keep it at noisebridge
      • SuperQ
        • The consensus process of noisebridge is for the membership
        • Leif++. Everything at noisebridge outside of the member shelves is up for hacking, but don't be a dick.
        • Don't take food that's obviously for cooking for the day
      • Kelly
        • I'd like to mention that I'm really ticked off by the idea the people feel entitled to keep food here more than a few hours before a specific cooking project
        • Just because we don't choose to consense on a specific standard of behavior on the space doesn't mean we don't have an expected standard of excellence
        • If you are keeping food in the fridge for a project and it is eaten, that is un excellent and deserving of mediation
        • It is not excellent to keep personal supplies at noisebridge
        • Tom: Do you think it's okay to take
      • Question: What is food in the fridge? Answer: everything!
      • Rayc:
        • When I started coming to NB, the fridge was full of declicious tastebridge Kombucha
        • It sucks that we don't have that
        • I think the fair game policy is correct, especially given the large amount of grocery stores
      • Jumana
        • Maybe it would be good to have people write their name and date
        • Communication is good!
        • Kelly: If you have labelled something for a specific purpose, you are excellence
      • Duncan:
        • I agree with Leif & Kelly: Label and don't be a dick. I've kept labelled "No Shr Pls" eggs & milk here to hack chocolate chip cookies.
        • Discovering no eggs at 10pm after buying a dozen @noon is frustrating. The kitchen is here for hacking food & sharing results, NOT to feed the world.
        • Not respecting "no share/pls ask first" & hogging limited is most unexcellent. Some areas, like the counter, are community.
        • Food is expensive for many, scarce for all when stores are closed. This idea of "open sourcing" to everybody the perishable
        • inputs for kitchen hacking feels like a poorly thought-through social engineering to an unstated bigger issue.
        • Do we REALLY want NB to become known as that "place in the Mission to get free food to cook and eat"?
        • Food is a basic necessity and for many at all incomes, a very personal emotional thing. What's the REAL issue here?
        • Bags on the day-shelf are left unhacked, why should marked food be different?
      • Tom: I don't think NB is a place for medium-term food storage
      • Snail
        • We can't guarantee safety of the day-shelves; we don't like people keeping their goods there for extended periods of time.
      • Kelly: While it is possible to use NB excellently for your day to day necessities, NB is not for support
      • Tom
        • Food in the fridge for an hour has been yoinked
        • That is unexcellent, and has lead to conflict
      • Kelly:
        • There has never been a policy on the fridge one way or the other
        • The signs previously existing were do-ocratic and can be changed
      • There are murmurs that the purviews of Excellence can keep this under control
      • Q: What happens when Tastebridge wants to make more Kombucha
        • A: Kombucha is awesome
      • Kelly:
        • We may have at one time consensed on the idea that everything at NB is up for hacking except for the membership shelves.
        • Does anyone remember?
        • MCT: Agreed, and it is the informal consensus of NB that that is the case



    • Kitchen electrical use
      • SuperQ wants to un-open the kitchen.
      • In order to do some experiments, the electrical hookup to the kitchen will be disabled
      • This is mostly the Stove, Oven, and Dishwasher, but NOT the fridges and hot water
      • We have no direct ability to measure the kitchen's energy uses
      • We can compare the no-kitchen week with the previous week(s) to find out
      • Interested people should check the Electricity Wiki
      • Kelly: Poke tastebridge@
      • SuperQ: I will conclude this before tastebridge next meets

[edit] End of Meeting

  • PGP Key Signing could happen now, check the list to see who wants in on the action.
  • Return the membership binder to it's rightful location.
  • Clean and tidy the meeting notes, then save them to the wiki.
  • Send a summary of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
  • Enjoy the company of your fellow hacker or robot.
  • Discuss any items for which there was not time during the meeting.
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