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=== Introduction and Names ===
=== Introduction and Names ===
Those present:
Those present:
* DrJesus
DrJesus
* Al
Al
* Snail
Snail
* Rubin
Rubin
* Rikke
Rikke
* Lei
Lei
* Miloh - Crowned Mr. Noisebridge 2010
Miloh
* Jeff
Jeff
* Mijkael
Mijkael
* Clff
Clff
* Azi
Azi
* John
John
* Steve
Steve
* Jason
Jason
* Mike
Mike
* Will
Will
* Harold
Harold
* Carol
Carol
* Tim
Tim
* Sam
Sam
* Owen
Owen
* Claudia
Claudia
* Michael
Michael
* Shannon
Shannon
* Daravinne
Dervin(?)
* Maria(?)
Maria(?)
* Heph
Heph
* Gescykae
Gescykae
* Kelly
Kelly
* Enya
Enya
* Rachel M
Rachel M
* Glen
Glen
* John
John
* Seth
Seth
* Danny
Danny
* Cynthia
Cynthia
* Ben
Ben
* Rachel H
Rachel H


=== Announcements ===
=== Announcements ===
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* [[Show & Tell]] (Tuesdays, 7.30pm, electronics lab)
* [[Show & Tell]] (Tuesdays, 7.30pm, electronics lab)
* [[Cultured_Drinks_Brewing_Program |Tastebridge culturing]] - (Wednesday, ~6PM, NoiseKitchen)
* [[Cultured_Drinks_Brewing_Program |Tastebridge culturing]] - (Wednesday, ~6PM, NoiseKitchen)
* [[Linux_Discussion_Group]] - (Wednesday, 6PM, A. Turing)
* [[Linux_System_Administration_Study_Group]] - (Wednesday, 6PM, A. Turing)
* [[Unityversity |GameDevelopment]] - (Wednesday, 7PM, E Lab/Main Hall]]
* [[Unityversity |GameDevelopment]] - (Wednesday, 7PM, E Lab/Main Hall]]
* [[SCoW]] craft group - (Wednesday, 7PM, SCoW area)
* [[SCoW]] craft group - (Wednesday, 7PM, SCoW area)
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the stated reasons why. His behavior failings in general are sufficient.
the stated reasons why. His behavior failings in general are sufficient.


Rachel H: I have heard a lot of people say they think we're banning Patrick because we don't
Rachel H: I think people might think we're banning Patrick because we don't
like him. But I think the reason is that he consistently fails to "get it", to get how to integrate or how to work
like him. But I think the reason is that he consistently fails to get how to work
within the group.  Even that is only bad enough once he started being creepy.
within the space.


Rubin: Let me try and define that. There's lots of people in the space whose
Rubin: Let me try and define that. There's lots of people in the space whose
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John: I disagree with Shannon. I think he's seriously delusional. It's all in his head.
John: I disagree with Shannon. I think he's seriously delusional. It's all in his head.


Adny: Well I think you are all in my head too.
Rubin: Well I think you are all in my head too. I would like a definition of
 
Rubin: I would like a definition of
"banning". We are creating an avenue for future bans from the space, and I
"banning". We are creating an avenue for future bans from the space, and I
believe this will make me totally trigger-happy to start banning like crazy so
believe this will make me totally trigger-happy to start banning like crazy so
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Danny: Just to be clear, Patrick gets the same (very thin) level of protection
Danny: Just to be clear, Patrick gets the same (very thin) level of protection
in these notes as afforded any other Noisebridger, which is that it is
in these notes as afforded any other Noisebridge member, which is that it is
first name only. We also went to some effort to make the evidence
first name only. We also went to some effort to make the evidence
non-googleable to protect the privacy of Patrick and the other people involved.
non-googleable to protect the privacy of Patrick and the other people involved.
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DrJesus: To bar Patrick from entering the space and participating in the
DrJesus: To bar Patrick from entering the space and participating in the
community. [Note-taker: note the full consensus item includes Patrick's full
community. [Recorder: note the full consensus item includes Patrick's full
name, and is recorded elsewhere in the [[Consensus_Items_History|consensus items history]].]
name, and is recorded in the [[Consensus_Items_History|consensus items history]].]


(Discussion about whether and to what extent the consensus item can be altered on the fly. Consensus is that we can change it within reason to reflect the actual consensus without resetting the whole process, and that a one word change falls under this traditional flexibility)
(Discussion about whether and to what extent the consensus item can be changed. Consensus is that we can change it within reason to reflect the actual consensus without resetting the whole process, and that a one word change falls under this tradition)


Glen(?): Just wish to add to the notes my sense that this is for major
John: Just wish to add to the notes my sense that this is for major
non-excellence without willingness to reform.
non-excellence without willingness to reform.


Claudia: I was harassed, but it's good for us to work together to ensure that
Claudia: I was harassed, but it's good for us to work together to ensure that
he can reform, improve, get a job and the support he needs.
he can reform, improve, get a job, support he needs.


Glen(?): I think it's appropriate that we all aim to be helpful to Patrick.  
John: I think it's appropriate that we all aim to be helpful to Patrick.  


Rubin: I would like to note that if you notice anyone shit-talking about
Rubin: I would like to note that if you notice anyone shit-talking about
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