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[http://www.yelp.com/c/sf/selfstorage There are numerous secure self-storage facilities in the city of San Francisco]. Noisebridge is not one of them.


If you think a locker at Noisebridge would be useful, you are invited to attend a meeting of [[Locks!|the lockpicking group]]. They meet infrequently, usually on Sundays, but if you're interested someone would probably be glad to teach you about the realities of locks some other time too.
= Relevant Pages =
 
Since we do not have a current Locker setup, please refer to
 
* [[Locker_FAQ]]
* [[Locker_Protocol]]
* [[Locker_Assignments]]
 
= Present =
 
We are starting up talk of Lockers again (December 2013). There was a past discussion but '''that was then and this is now'''
 
 
==Current shelves==
 
Our current shelves are 13" deep x 12" tall.  An entire shelf is 48" wide.  An entire set of shelves is about 7'2" tall.
 
== Costs ==
 
Costs can range from a few hundred to a few thousand dollars. There is a lot of stuff on Craigslist that can be had for free


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==Some People Don't Like The Idea Of Locking Things At Noisebridge==
== Distant Past ==


Patrick, maybe you could use this space to list the [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-February/thread.html#21036 many] [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-February/thread.html#21081 reasons] people have taken the time to write about ''why'' they don't want lockers? Not people, mind you, but people's concerns. And then, maybe you could actually address them, or at least acknowledge that you've understood them in the slightest, instead of talking past them and arguing against straw men. (For instance, I'm pretty sure nobody has said they're concerned that using lockers would become mandatory, so you can stop emphasizing that they would be optional.)
* '''Summary:''' There was some kind of big discussion in 2011 about having lockers at Noisebridge. It appears that the group opinion went against having lockers. But that was then and this is now.


Alternately, if you're ready to drop this idea (as [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-February/021082.html you recently said you were]) please consider editing this page to reduce it to the first two or four sentences.
[http://www.yelp.com/c/sf/selfstorage There are numerous secure self-storage facilities in the city of San Francisco]. Noisebridge is not one of them.


==Overview==
In the distant past and again in February 2011, there was discussion of re-organizing the member shelves, hack shelves, and also possibly day-use shelves into an organized set of lockers. The result of these discussions has been that we do not have lockers.


The above being said, there is ongoing discussion of re-organizing the member shelves, hack shelves, and also possibly day-use shelves into an organized set of lockers. This is a lively and ongoing debate.
If you're interested in understanding the reasons why, you should read [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-February/thread.html#21036 these] [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-February/thread.html#21081 two] threads from February.


As the plan exists now:
The plan, as it was proposed in February 2011:
* '''Both''' member shelves and day-use shelves would be consolidated with lockers.
* '''Both''' member shelves and day-use shelves would be consolidated with lockers.
* Some '''(not all)''' shelves would be re-purposed for use as additional hack shelves or shelves for larger projects.
* Some '''(not all)''' shelves would be re-purposed for use as additional hack shelves or shelves for larger projects.
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* Hack shelves would remain as separate shelves, publicly accessible to everybody.  Keeping hack shelves separate from the lockers will hopefully result in people feeling more confident in using stuff on the hack shelves.
* Hack shelves would remain as separate shelves, publicly accessible to everybody.  Keeping hack shelves separate from the lockers will hopefully result in people feeling more confident in using stuff on the hack shelves.


==Current shelves==
==Some People Don't Like The Idea Of Locking Things At Noisebridge==
Our current shelves are 13" deep x 12" tallAn entire shelf is 48" wide. An entire set of shelves is about 7'2" tall.
 
If you think a locker at Noisebridge would be useful, you are invited to attend a meeting of [[Locks!|the lockpicking group]]. They meet infrequently, usually on Sundays, but if you're interested someone would probably be glad to teach you about locks some other time too.
 
 
A discussion list member raised a worthwhile point.
<blockquote>Seems like a fine experiment but I would treat it as an experiment
rather than a solution.
 
Lockers for people to store their stuff would be very valuable to many
people in San Francisco, not necessarily for hacker/maker projects,
but to keep their basic most important stuff in life from being stolen
because they have nowhere secure to keep it. Do we want to be in that
business?
 
- liz
</blockquote>


==Best option for new shelves==
(Hope I did the attribution for the idea correctly, please let me know / erase /if wrong.)
To be continued...

Revision as of 17:50, 2 January 2014

Relevant Pages

Since we do not have a current Locker setup, please refer to

Present

We are starting up talk of Lockers again (December 2013). There was a past discussion but that was then and this is now


Current shelves

Our current shelves are 13" deep x 12" tall. An entire shelf is 48" wide. An entire set of shelves is about 7'2" tall.

Costs

Costs can range from a few hundred to a few thousand dollars. There is a lot of stuff on Craigslist that can be had for free

Distant Past

  • Summary: There was some kind of big discussion in 2011 about having lockers at Noisebridge. It appears that the group opinion went against having lockers. But that was then and this is now.

There are numerous secure self-storage facilities in the city of San Francisco. Noisebridge is not one of them.

In the distant past and again in February 2011, there was discussion of re-organizing the member shelves, hack shelves, and also possibly day-use shelves into an organized set of lockers. The result of these discussions has been that we do not have lockers.

If you're interested in understanding the reasons why, you should read these two threads from February.

The plan, as it was proposed in February 2011:

  • Both member shelves and day-use shelves would be consolidated with lockers.
  • Some (not all) shelves would be re-purposed for use as additional hack shelves or shelves for larger projects.
  • Lockers could optionally be closed, so nobody else can see your stuff (out of sight, out of mind).
  • Lockers would use optional bring-your-own-lock security.
  • Lockers would also be numbered, un-labeled, and anonymous.
  • Hack shelves would remain as separate shelves, publicly accessible to everybody. Keeping hack shelves separate from the lockers will hopefully result in people feeling more confident in using stuff on the hack shelves.

Some People Don't Like The Idea Of Locking Things At Noisebridge

If you think a locker at Noisebridge would be useful, you are invited to attend a meeting of the lockpicking group. They meet infrequently, usually on Sundays, but if you're interested someone would probably be glad to teach you about locks some other time too.


A discussion list member raised a worthwhile point.

Seems like a fine experiment but I would treat it as an experiment

rather than a solution.

Lockers for people to store their stuff would be very valuable to many people in San Francisco, not necessarily for hacker/maker projects, but to keep their basic most important stuff in life from being stolen because they have nowhere secure to keep it. Do we want to be in that business?

- liz

(Hope I did the attribution for the idea correctly, please let me know / erase /if wrong.)