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== '''Can''' We Have an Actual Dialog Perhaps, Regarding the Nuclear option? == (Please continue to undercomment on the below discussion) Naomi Theora, quite the disappointment that you remain bored and annoyed!<br> ''If you participated in administrating the wiki, you'd be bored and annoyed too. Would you like to participate? By the way, no one calls me "Naomi Theora", so don't call me that.'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC) As yet another anonymous Tor Coward ('tho not a troll as the recent person submitting huge saggy 8008s pr0n), I am in favor of not only KEEPING BENEFICIAL ANONYMOUS COMMENTS, but also keeping ''some'' of the wikis anonymously editable. ''In that case, you already have what you wish. 98% of this wiki is still anonymously editable.''<br> ''ed1: perhaps this just ain't so...'' ''[Then you would be arguing a factual inaccuracy. I'm not sure why you would pick on a demonstrably provable statement like that.]'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 16:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC) While there no doubt '''will''' be further wiki vandalism -- hopefully many fewer of those nasties aimed at Johny-Radio as of late >:O[ -- I still think the benefits of allowing limited anonymous edits outweigh the risks.<br> ''Easy for you to say when you're not the one putting out the fires. We'd really, really like to spend more of our time doing constructive things for Noisebridge. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)'' Even as you are likely reading this now, Naomi Theora, Sat night's apres-MakerFaire Party '''remains''' listed on the [https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Category:Events Wiki Events section]; after MakerFaire itself and well over a full day past the Party event's ending. ''Anyone with a User account can edit that page. The question remains why it seems necessary for someone like yourself to remain "anonymous" in a particular manner, i.e. refusing to make a User account, when it is no less anonymous in the real sense of the word. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)''<br> ''ed1: yet '''again''' pushing for named User-account creation and potential '''traceability''' issues...see below bulleted refs.''<br> At the same time, we all (most of us anyway) Got Lives and are regularly busy working at our jobs. That obviously includes you, Naomi Theora, as well as other admins. Granting anonymous editing in situations such as the above would (a) greatly reduce efforts to have past listings linger on the main Wiki and (b) allow for much faster transitions from proposed [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss Discuss list] events into beneficial Wiki listings. ''I'm not convinced by the urgency argument. See previous comment. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)''<br> ''ed1: [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] unconvinced by '''any part''' of the above arguments?<br> ''ed1: Still no movement that the stale Party-listing gets de-listed.'' Also see the Allow arguments at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaiwen1/Vote_to_prohibit_anonymous_edits Vote to prohibit anonymous edits] you previously reviewed on the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss Discuss list].<br><br> ''Yeah, interesting thing about that page: I've learned though it that Noisebridge and Wikipedia are not alike in many respects. Wikipedia notably has thousands of admins, plus a page specifically devoted to finding admins who are willing to take the personal risks associated with taking action against "difficult" users. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Admins_willing_to_make_difficult_blocks ''Noisebridge also has no imperative to allow anonymous editing via the "this is how we get quality editors" argument at Wikipedia. Noisebridge gets quality community members in several different ways. Wikipedia only has one way: editing. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)'' In order to decrease the desire (yours?) to trace beneficial contributors, I've re-prioritized the Options at our disposal:<br> * '''user and wiki pages' discussion (a.k.a. "talk") sections''' * creating an "admin-acceptable" user account, possibly by using Tor and an anonymized email address ''.... ed1: "admin-acceptable" might also indicate admins' preference for accounts that are most readily traceable.'' * emailing someone personally from such an anonymized and admin-acceptable email address * [https://slack.com/privacy-policy Slack] * the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss nb discuss list] * the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/rack rack list] Just curious, Naomi Theora, are you even going so far as to consider deleting '''this''' Discussion Talk section as you did for your [[https://noisebridge.net/wiki/User_talk:Nthmost|Talk Talk page]]; due not only to the obvious chance of open vandalism as well as for reasons of your self-described boredom/annoyance/tiredness?? Because if you are, then that would clearly shut down yet another extra means of gaining constructive input.<br><br> ''No, of course not. Even if this discussion veered towards the abusive (which it somewhat has, but I'm letting it go), I'm not in the business of shutting down dialog.''<br> ''ed1: well... '''I never''', harumph harumph! (tone policing)''<br> ''I AM, however, finding that it takes some bold action to get people talking about issues people have been avoiding.'' ''As for my Talk page: there was only pr0n on my Talk page and nothing even remotely constructive in that page's History. It made sense to Delete it. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)'' And No b/c you inevitably bring this up, this particular anonymous Tor Coward is completely unable to attend the weekly SF meetings at night in person nor the various night workgroup sessions you've recently established.<br> (Again, please continue to undercomment on the above discussion)<br><br> ''That's fine. That's why I'm continuing this discussion HERE, where you are, rather than insisting it occur elsewhere, like the mailing list or something. We shouldn't be pushing all discussion though the Meetings either. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)''
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